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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Is it a kind of racism that relies on the stereotype of the "angry black power activist" who turns to Islam? Obama as the "second coming of Malcom X" in a way?
    Is possible to bash Obama without being called a racist? Do any of your Obama-bots realize that you're doing nothing but crying wolf with this behavior and taking attention away from real racism that exists in our world?

    And this general distrust against Islam, is it just common xenophobia, or religiously (Christian-based) anti-Islamism? Or an effect of the stereotype that "Islam = terrorism"?
    Islam does = terrorism. Whatelse is new?

    For the record: I'm not accusing anybody or jumping to conclusions. I'm just looking for answers, and hope this may fuel a fruitful debate.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

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    And this general distrust against Islam, is it just common xenophobia, or religiously (Christian-based) anti-Islamism? Or an effect of the stereotype that "Islam = terrorism"?
    Some would argue that it is not just a stereotype. I think the worst terrorist attack in recent history, perpetrated by Muslims for religious reasons, against the US tends to put many Americans "on edge" regarding Islam. I, for one, was quite bothered by the fact that the rest of the "moderate" Muslim World's response to 9/11 was more of defending their own "moderate" stance rather than remorsefulness or anger toward their more "fundamentalist" bretheren. :
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is possible to bash Obama without being called a racist?
    My statement did not refer to people "bashing" Obama. It did refer to people who think he is a Muslim, regardless if they approve of him or dislike him (although the latter group may be more prominent among those who believe he is a Muslim, because or despite it).

    And then, I did not call anybody anything. I asked a question, and explicitly made clear I did just that. If you think the answer is "no", then you can say so without being disrespectful or rude, and without jumping to unwarranted conclusions.

    Do any of your Obama-bots realize that you're doing nothing but crying wolf with this behavior and taking attention away from real racism that exists in our world?
    First: Who do you talk to when you address "Obama-bots"? Anybody here in this debate?

    You are right, real racism does exist. I think it's self-evident that some of it also still exists in today's America, and it's very likely that those racists who do exist in America will most likely not approve of Obama. How large this group is, is an empirical question. I am not familiar with according statistics or studies that may quantify that number. Maybe anybody else here is?

    Islam does = terrorism. Whatelse is new?
    I think this statement speaks for itself.

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    Look, I can also produce random words without any context. Recently, I witnessed a pretty clever three year old -- he was very good at it. I'm just not sure what it's supposed to achieve.

    If you have a sound argument to advance, you might be willing to make it.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Some would argue that it is not just a stereotype. I think the worst terrorist attack in recent history, perpetrated by Muslims for religious reasons, against the US tends to put many Americans "on edge" regarding Islam. I, for one, was quite bothered by the fact that the rest of the "moderate" Muslim World's response to 9/11 was more of defending their own "moderate" stance rather than remorsefulness or anger toward their more "fundamentalist" bretheren. :
    Yes, I understand where you are coming from, and I'd agree that the problem of violent extremism is a bigger problem in Islam than in other religions. Yet both my personal experience (I know quite a few people who are at least formally Muslims) and the reactions I observed of Muslim communities and authorities here in Germany make me think that although slightly nutty behavior maybe widespread among Muslims (like a questionable attitude towards sexual morals, male authority and artist criticism of religion), yet a large majority is strictly opposed to terrorism or murder in the name of their religion.

    It's obvious there are problematic differences between many Muslims and Western liberals (small "l") that need to be addressed and solved, but I don't think they are categorically different from the same kind of problems that exist between extreme Christians or Jews with the more progressive proponents of Western free order (although their degree may be higher, admittedly).

    At any rate, a villification of Islam won't bring us anywhere. What is it supposed to achieve? Eternal conflict and war, which will go on forever until all Muslims are either subdued or annihilated? I neither think this is feasible, nor legitimate. That's why I think we have no choice but finding an agreement and a way for peaceful coexistence at least, if not even permanent dialogue. There just is no realistic alternative.

    What do you think?
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Sorry, for being so serious after all that well deserved fun, but I wonder, where does this weird myth stem from Obama is Muslim, which apparently seems resistant to all evidence to the contrary? (And this fear of Islam in general -- apparently, it would bother people who believe Obama is a Muslim much more if he were, than it would bother people who don't believe it, even if it was true.)

    Is it because many people are just not at all familiar with people who have such a cosmopolitan vita like Obama, because they've hardly ever met people who were not like them - down to earth, well-rooted Americans - and thus react with fear and suspicion, just because they don't know such a thing?

    Is it a kind of racism that relies on the stereotype of the "angry black power activist" who turns to Islam? Obama as the "second coming of Malcom X" in a way?

    And this general distrust against Islam, is it just common xenophobia, or religiously (Christian-based) anti-Islamism? Or an effect of the stereotype that "Islam = terrorism"?

    For the record: I'm not accusing anybody or jumping to conclusions. I'm just looking for answers, and hope this may fuel a fruitful debate.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    At any rate, a villification of Islam won't bring us anywhere. What is it supposed to achieve? Eternal conflict and war, which will go on forever until all Muslims are either subdued or annihilated? I neither think this is feasible, nor legitimate. That's why I think we have no choice but finding an agreement and a way for peaceful coexistence at least, if not even permanent dialogue. There just is no realistic alternative.

    What do you think?
    I agree; but I would have to say that in the recent past the US has tried much harder than the Muslim World to bring about peaceful and diplomatic solutions. The Arabs/Muslims (at least various groups/states in the Muslim World) have been waging war for over two-thousand years against Judaism and Christianity. I believe most Christians have given up the Crusades, the Muslim World; however, seems to feel otherwise.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Islam = terrorism? How can anyone be that stupid? Thats like say Christianity = Hutaree, the Michigan Christian militia which wanted to over throw the gov't, because I'm just going to focus on a small minority of Christianity and pretend like it applies to the whole.

    As for Barack being a Muslim, there's NO evidence to support it. And what "evidence" you do have is circumstantial, he once wore ethnic clothes in Kenya, some guy writing a blog says an Egyptian politician told him in secret he is a Muslim, without any source by the way. Since when does anyone take what some guy just says without any evidence as total truth? They do when they have already reached a conclusion and are just waiting for anything they could use as "proof."

    PLUS the guy in the blog states that Barack Obama told the Egyptian Foreign minister that he was "sympatetic(the blogger misspelled this word by the way) towards the Muslim agenda." But WHAT Muslim agenda, what does that even mean? There is NO "Muslim Agenda" Islam and Islamic countries are just as divided as Christianity and Christian nations. Everyone here saying this is "proof" or evidence of Obama's secret identity has also pointed out several times that in Iraq and Afghanistan the majority of civilian deaths are caused by in-fighting or terrorist groups. So is that the Muslim agenda? Fight a civil war with themselves, real great strategy there, and I guess the Sunni/Shia division is all fake too.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

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    Hahaha ... I'm not sure I'm the right person to do that.

    But as a consolation prize, I want at least to give you this insight into contemporary German pop-culture (and yes, it does involve a German chick! =) ):

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

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