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Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

Ya ya starts out with the appointed not elected tyrant Mossadeq who dissolved parliament through a fraudulent referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% aye vote because survey says they wouldn't give him direct control over the Iranian military and extend his "emergency powers" indefinitely. Doesn't mention any of that so really there's no reason to listen any further to this biased revisionist history, thanks again. Oh and I love the fact that none of you ever mentions that it was the U.S. who forced the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Northern Iran after WW2 by threatening them with the nuclear option and that Mossadeq aligned himself with the Tudeh party which was nothing more than a puppet party created in Northern Iran during the period of Soviet occupation and funded by Moscow after the Soviets were forced out by the U.S..

Another tyrant that was "elected" ! you don't like democracy do you,you like dictators,especially pro-american dictators !

Oh the land of the free and the home of the brave ! don't make me laugh.
 
A) There is no evidence that we supported the coup itself.

B) Coup is a pretty strange way of describing both the Judicial and Legislative branch being forced to request military assistance to remove a tyrant from power after he refused to step down after being ordered to do so for his laundry list of violations of the Constitution. Oh and there is no "might of" about it, Allende was routinely violating the rights of Chileans on a far grander scale in a far shorter time than Pinochet did throughout his entire time in office.

What a load of crap that is,your head is stuck in the sand,it was a coup,everyone knows it and the CIA were involved.
 
Listen numbnuts,i am not american,and i didn't get my information from Noam Chomsky,the US backed numerous dictators in latin-america,pinochet is only one of many,what right did the US have to interfere in the internal politics of other nations.

The U.S. didn't order Allende to be removed from power, the Chilean Legislative and Judicial branches ordered Allende to be removed from power.

The people of these country;s have the right to choose who they want in power,not who the US want because it does not suit their political agenda.

So your impression of a proper democracy is that a 1% plurality decision in a parliamentary chamber to determine the Presidency grants that President a mandate to overthrow the democratic system of governance that brought him to power and establish a totalitarian Marxist regime in its place? You would further argue that when the very same Legislative body that granted him the 1% plurality win votes for him to step down and is joined by the highest court in the land that he should not resign his seat? Seriously? It seems that you are very much in favor of dictatorship so long as it is a leftwing dictatorship.


The US likes to claim itself as the "Great Bastion of Democracy" yet it has backed numerous dictators,what hypocrites they are !

We have opposed numerous dictatorships too, but your original assertion is that we have opposed democratic systems of governance because they were left wing and favored rightwing dictatorships, when the fact of the matter is that Allende was not a pro-democracy member of the left, rather he was attempting to destroy the liberal democratic republic of Chile and replace it with a totalitarian Marxist dictatorship.
 
Another tyrant that was "elected" ! you don't like democracy do you,you like dictators,especially pro-american dictators !

Oh the land of the free and the home of the brave ! don't make me laugh.

He wasn't elected he was appointed by the Shah and ratified by the Majiles, after he was appointed and ratified by the Majiles he dissolved Iranian Parliament through a fraudulent referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yay vote. True beacon of democracy that one. :roll:
 
What a load of crap that is,your head is stuck in the sand,it was a coup,

I provided the resolutions from both the Legislative and Judicial branches of government ordering Allende's removal from power. How exactly does that constitute a coup? If anything it was a countercoup.

everyone knows it

"Everyone knows" bull**** revisionist history then apparently.

and the CIA were involved.

Do you have any evidence of direct CIA involvement in the coup? Did they fund, arm, or order Pinochet to implement a coup? Once again Pinochet was ordered by the other two branches of the Chilean government to remove Allende from power for his numerous violations of the Chilean Constitution. I provided both resolutions which you continue to ignore.
 
I think there is some proof in the post's above !

Not doubt you will still be in denial of CIA involvement and that these coups did not happen !!!!!
 
I think there is some proof in the post's above !

Not doubt you will still be in denial of CIA involvement and that these coups did not happen !!!!!

Posting long youtube videos =/= proof of anything. Post your evidence that the U.S. directly supported the coup against Allende. I know we supported the coup against the tyrant Mossadeq. And I understand that you will continue to support the tyrants Allende and Mossadeq and hold them up as bastions of liberty that the big bad U.S. overthrew, but in reality they were anything but what you claim they were. Beacons of liberty do not try to destroy liberal democracies and set up totalitarian centralized Marxist regimes nor do they dissolve parliament through fraudulent referendums.
 
So you are saying that the CIA had no involvement in these coups and that these two elected officials were the bad guys ?

A) There is no evidence of direct CIA involvement in the coup against Allende.

B) Yes Mossadeq and Allende were bad guys, neither were elected and both attempted to overthrow the democratic order which allowed them to come to power.
 
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A) There is no evidence of direct CIA involvement in the coup against Allende.

B) Yes Mossadeq and Allende were bad guys, neither were elected and both attempted to overthrow the democratic order which allowed them to come to power.

Use in de_nile, my friend. The US involvement in the overthrow of Allende is conventional wisdom. CIA documents made public in 2000 basically confessed. I am sorry, but saying the US had no involvement is revisionist history (amazing how much the regressives like to re-write history to suggest the US is always the guy wearing the white hat. ) Certainly we did not like another marxist government forming within the Western Hemisphere, duly elected or not, but we were really ticked off when Allende took the Chilean nationalization of the copper mining industry to another level. This really ticked of ITT, who became the Halliburton of 1973 as a proxy to secure US interests.

CIA Acknowledges Ties to Pinochet’s Repression

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=chile_1639

You can argue the merits of the Pinnocet takeover, but spare me the ill-informed piousness that the US was not involved. It was!
 
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Use in de_nile, my friend. The US involvement in the overthrow of Allende is conventional wisdom. CIA documents made public in 2000 basically confessed. I am sorry, but saying the US had no involvement is revisionist history (amazing how much the regressives like to re-write history to suggest the US is always the guy wearing the white hat. ) Certainly we did not like another marxist government forming within the Western Hemisphere, duly elected or not, but we were really ticked off when Allende took the Chilean nationalization of the copper mining industry to another level. This really ticked of ITT, who became the Halliburton of 1973 as a proxy to secure US interests.

CIA Acknowledges Ties to Pinochet’s Repression

Context of '1964: CIA Spends Millions to Prevent Allende Election'

You can argue the merits of the Pinnocet takeover, but spare me the ill-informed piousness that the US was not involved. It was!

Show me a single document that shows that the U.S. did anything other than funding opposition media outlets and political parties. The CIA neither ordered Pinochet to overthrow Allende or financed/armed the coup plotters at least there is no evidence to that effect. The Chilean Chamber of Deputies as well as the Chilean Supreme Court ordered Pinochet to oust Allende for his numerous crime against the Chilean Constitution, now unless you are saying that the U.S. ordered both the Chilean Supreme Court and Chilean Congress to order Pinochet to oust Allende from power you really don't have a leg to stand on, this wasn't your typical military coup, this was backed by two of the three branches of the Chilean Republic. Yes we were opposed to Allende, yes we backed Pinochet after the fact that =/= being responsible for the coup.
 
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Show me a single document that shows that the U.S. did anything other than funding opposition media outlets and political parties. The CIA neither ordered Pinochet to overthrow Allende or financed/armed the coup plotters at least there is no evidence to that effect. The Chilean Chamber of Deputies as well as the Chilean Supreme Court ordered Pinochet to oust Allende for his numerous crime against the Chilean Constitution, now unless you are saying that the U.S. ordered both the Chilean Supreme Court and Chilean Congress to order Pinochet to oust Allende from power you really don't have a leg to stand on, this wasn't your typical military coup, this was backed by two of the three branches of the Chilean Republic. Yes we were opposed to Allende, yes we backed Pinochet after the fact that =/= being responsible for the coup.

First you said there was no evidence that the US supported the coup. I take your retort that we opposed Allende and backed Pinnocet as either or both the admission that you were wrong that there is evidence that the US supported the coup, and now you just wish to argue what support means.

Of course no one "ordered" Pinochet or anyone else to do anything, but we certainly were active in the planning, coddling, financing, encouraging (we knew the coup date, we let Pinnocet know he would be loved and supported after the coup, we worked the legislature (that was our manipulation that gave rise, not their individual outrage), we encouraged them to get rid of people that were in the way) and training of key members of the military. Guns were even supplied at times. This is all a great read. A real life James Bond story, with a successful outcome from a Langley perspective.

Here is are the cliff notes of the CIA document. You will find this is substantially supported in the CIA declassified documents I previously supplied (pages 8-12 are the most interesting of that document)

Salvador Allende

I don't know why this is such a big deal. It is conventional wisdom that the US manipulated the affairs in Chile to create and support this coup. So what? You should be arguing about its significance or the ethics thereof, not whether it actually occurred. This is almost like arguing there was no holocaust.
 
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First you said there was no evidence that the US supported the coup. I take your retort that we opposed Allende and backed Pinnocet as either or both the admission that you were wrong that there is evidence that the US supported the coup, and now you just wish to argue what support means.

I of course meant that we didn't offer material aid to the coup, we didn't direct the coup, yes I'll agree that we supported the government after the fact.

Of course no one "ordered" Pinochet or anyone else to do anything, but we certainly were active in the planning, coddling, financing, encouraging (we knew the coup date, we let Pinnocet know he would be loved and supported after the coup, we worked the legislature (that was our manipulation that gave rise, not their individual outrage), we encouraged them to get rid of people that were in the way) and training of key members of the military. Guns were even supplied at times. This is all a great read. A real life James Bond story, with a successful outcome from a Langley perspective.

Here is are the cliff notes of the CIA document. You will find this is substantially supported in the CIA declassified documents I previously supplied (pages 8-12 are the most interesting of that document)

Salvador Allende

I don't know why this is such a big deal. It is conventional wisdom that the US manipulated the affairs in Chile to create and support this coup. So what? You should be arguing about its significance or the ethics thereof, not whether it actually occurred. This is almost like arguing there was no holocaust.

A) I don't really consider two of the three branches of government ordering the third to resign for numerous violations of the Constitution to constitution as a coup to begin with, more like a counter-coup.

B) The reason why Allende was forced out is due to his radical policies which caused the loss of support from the Christian Democrats who were originally responsible for granting him the 1% plurality that put him into office in the first place, once their support was lost he was done for, now just what the hell did the U.S. do exactly to cause this reversal? Short answer it wasn't the U.S. that turned them it was Allende's overt Marxism that even scared the **** out of the center left. The U.S. supported opposition political parties and media outlets but it was Allende's own bloody people that turned against him.
 
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