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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Didn't Obama vote against the Iraq war as Senator? I thought that was one of the reasons why many preferred him over Hillary.

    And of course, it were probably other reasons that convinced Congress members of the war in Iraq than religious reasons ... but still, IF Chirac's claims are true, I would consider it really, really frightening. After all, that guy was in possession of the nuclear suitcase.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Didn't Obama vote against the Iraq war as Senator? I thought that was one of the reasons why many preferred him over Hillary.

    And of course, it were probably other reasons that convinced Congress members of the war in Iraq than religious reasons ... but still, IF Chirac's claims are true, I would consider it really, really frightening. After all, that guy was in possession of the nuclear suitcase.
    Obama was not in the Senate when the vote to authorize the war occured. He however claimed that he has opposed the war from the beginning, which drew the distinction between his opponents who both (Clinton and Edwards) voted to authorize the use of force.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Obama was not in the Senate when the vote to authorize the war occured. He however claimed that he has opposed the war from the beginning, which drew the distinction between his opponents who both (Clinton and Edwards) voted to authorize the use of force.
    Obama DID, however, vote in favor of budget packages to fund the war in Iraq while he was a Senator.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Obama DID, however, vote in favor of budget packages to fund the war in Iraq while he was a Senator.
    True, but the counter to that is simply once they are there, they need to be supported, and not turned into political pawns. The vote that really counts in that regard is the original go or not vote.

    I don't really have a problem, or view it as hypocrisy, for a political to vote against the war, but then if it happens anyway, to make sure it gets adaquately funded.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely. Because, as you see, he has a HISTORY of it. There's a history there because its been found out, seen, exposed, proven, etc.

    Yet at the same time we're supposed to believe that for the vast majority of his life and his decade in public office that he has managed to completely and utterly keep secret from everyone possible that he was a muslim to the point of being able to assure that there could be no solid proof what so ever that would be found by his own party that vets their candidates nor the multitude of opposition that digs for dirt on a person, including when he was running for the highest office in all the land.

    So he's managed to keep something like that secret while openly lying about it on a national stage while having every spot light from his party and the opposing party put on him without having anything with a shred of credibility come to light to prove that the notion is true...

    ....but that he goes ahead and just says it to a random Egyptian politician?

    Wonderful. Do you have an ebay account. I have this great piece of Florida real estate for you that I'd love to sell you for a bargain price.
    The point isn't if he is a Muslim, it is the lies and deceiving Obama is doing

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    It's hard to believe so many Conservatives didn't vote against Obama because he's black when they keep coming up with ways of saying OMFG HE'S A MUSLIM!
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong I say Obama is a liar and can not be believed. He claimed to be Christian when he went to a racist church for 20 years. Then claimed he did know the church was racist. Obama has a history that shows he can not be believed and he has no credibility
    You may want to reread your posts. You jumped on the "He's a Muslim" bandwagon without checking the facts. Furthermore, racist church does not invalidate you as a Christian, if that was true, most of those at Bob Jones University are racist not to mention millions of Christians in the past that went to Churches that were racists.

    Basically, you don't like Obama and you will jump on anything to suit your bias.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In a broader sense, if it [Obama is a Muslim] was somehow true (which is kind of like saying if smurfs existed and lived inside of Pulto. So you know, Possible, but highly highly highly improbable to the point that its ridiculous) ...

    To the vast majority of the American public at this point though I'd imagine Obama's religion isn't much of an issue as its already known and is a dead issue.
    BINGO. (Technically, /thread. Thanks Zyph.)

    One's religious beliefs (or lack thereof) are completely unimportant and unacceptable where our government is concerned. They have no legitimacy in our nation's form or function, yet they reportedly have been used/abused by the leader of the free world to instigate and champion a fruitless and deadly war of choice.

    I don't know how many times I need to repeat this for it to sink in, but I'll give it one more try and then I'm out:

    Followers of Organized Religion: Please do keep your "faith" (whatever it might be, and more power to you) to yourselves, but do NOT include me, my government, my President, OR my nation in your "beliefs."

    We have laws against that.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    BINGO. (Technically, /thread. Thanks Zyph.)
    Zyph has a way with doing that.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The point isn't if he is a Muslim, it is the lies and deceiving Obama is doing
    Except for the fact that in this case the only way he's "lying and deceiving" is if he's a Muslim, which is like saying there are smurfs on Pluto. Its not true, so there's nothing to bitch about in regards to him "Lying and deceiving" on this issue UNLESS you think he's really a super duper secret Muslim!

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