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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No, I'm saying that the quote is curious as to it's motives (if true) and I'm not sure who it's intended to benefit. That IF Obama were hiding being a Muslim, there are good reasons for him to do so and that his own flub during the campaign lends credibility to this Foreign Ministers quotation. I don't know if it's true or not, but apparently I've hit upon a nerve that everyone (especially the Mods) seem to be overly sensitive about as the result is accusations and assumptions on my intent and motivation which I see as inaccurate, inappropriate and unfair. Either way, it's apparent that even the discussion about the possibility of the quote being real is causing some real agida...

    I don't know if the quote or story is made up or real. To your previous point, there's no reference to coorborate it. That doesn't mean it's true or not true.
    I am not a mod, but I will give you my reaction. Your posts in this thread annoy me because you keep asking leading questions based on some very circumstantial evidence. Think of this as a court room, would you want to be a lawyer arguing your case?

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    LOL, how much more circumstantial could this evidence possibly be?
    Not nearly as "circumstantial" as the totally non-verifiable, literally impossible god-stuff you've obviously bought into.

    What. Ever.

    As I said before, you and Mr. Bush are free to adhere to whatever out-there, completely impossible-to-prove religious dogma you need to in hopes of justifying your actions, and I really hope that works out for you; but do keep in mind that some of us live on planet Earth and recognize the difference between reality and fairy stories that were written solely to keep the unwashed, uneducated rabble in line.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    A bit of advise first. You're not a mod. If you feel a rule was violated, report it, and let the other mods look at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I agree - the only statement to the contrary is his misuse during the interview in the campaign and the quote provided by the Egyptian News station and the Israeli publication that quoted it. This does not then exclude the topic from being discussed nor does it invite or excuse Post #152.
    Neither of which are in any way either correct (his "misuse") or credible (in regards to the Israeli publication) sources and so yes, there is no worth while and credible evidence to even suggest let alone prove the notion meaning talking about it is an act of futility for anyone who doesn't have a definite and obviously transparent agenda.

    If people kept talking about someones "bad attitude" repeatedly and that person later was making a statement that "People keep wanting to talk about my 'bad attitude', as if I am just going to fly off the handle" that would not indicate that the person is agreeing with the notion that he has a bad attitude, but is rather an indication of him referencing what people are claiming. In regards to the sound bite by Barack Obama, heard in context and without the obvious desire to condemn him as a Muslim, its clear he's referencing individuals referencing him as being a muslim. It was not a slip up of meaning "his christian faith" but rather him making a statement in such a way that was politicaly foolish becasue people with obvious agendas can clip out a few words and use it as propoganda fodder for the idiotic masses over crappily made youtube videos and idiotic chain letters. The Israeli publication credited an Egyptian news source as where they got their information from but to this point to my understanding there's still been no evidence of said thing being found anywhere within the Egyptian news service OTHER than the Israeli blog that's claiming its there. As already said, this is like claiming that on CBS Obama declared himself the Anti-Christ and expecting people to believe that it happened because WorldNetDaily reported it as such but such a statement is no where to be found on CBS's website. One can not use the credibility of the Egyptian News service as "proof" that its at least a semi-legit statement because the report is not FROM the Egyptian News service but from an Israeli BLOG who CLAIMS that he got the information from there with absolutely nothing to back it up.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am not a mod, but I will give you my reaction. Your posts in this thread annoy me because you keep asking leading questions based on some very circumstantial evidence. Think of this as a court room, would you want to be a lawyer arguing your case?
    Ok - good answer. Yes they are leading questions on very circumstancial evidence but this is not a court room and I'm not a lawyer (though I play one on TV). And sometimes diving into what if's based on very circumstancial evidence is good for discussion. We're not all here to agree but sometimes speaking out of our comfort zone can help others see things differently. I've had many discussions on different boards about the 9/11 truthers and discussed their views and evidence (as slim as it is) both in and out of nutty conspiracy issues without devolving into accusations. It helps because I learned what their points were and after investigating their points - knew that my gut view of what happened was correct and the "truthers" were nutty as a fruit cake. I'd want to do the same on this subject as I did on the "birther" issue which is just as nutty. My forum namesake identifies the approach --- an all encompassing conspiracy between hundreds if not thousands of people, state governments, the FEC, Congress and everyone at the White House or ... Obama's really a citizen? Just to alleviate any question - Obama's a citizen.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Not nearly as "circumstantial" as the totally non-verifiable, literally impossible god-stuff you've obviously bought into.

    What. Ever.

    As I said before, you and Mr. Bush are free to adhere to whatever out-there, completely impossible-to-prove religious dogma you need to in hopes of justifying your actions, and I really hope that works out for you; but do keep in mind that some of us live on planet Earth and recognize the difference between reality and fairy stories that were written solely to keep the unwashed, uneducated rabble in line.
    And some of you seem to have the unending desire to PROVE to us "right wing Christian wackos" that we are wrong and that what IN FACT does make us HAPPY, shouldn't make us happy after all. I HAVE NEVER attempted to "force" anyone else to subscribe to my beliefs and only respond, in kind, when attacked for them by you PROACTIVE atheists. But, you see, the FAITHFUL will never be left alone in the media, on the net, or in public to worship openly without public ridicule, even when we are not the ones on the offensive. It is almost as if we're NOT ENTITLED to our beliefs? It seems that more and more often these days, you guys seem to be the ones with an agenda, LOL.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just do a short google search. You will find that this statement by Bush has indeed been confirmed by former French President Chirac.

    Now Chirac may be lying. But this story is very well confirmed. Chirac did make this statement, and this particular site is just one of the few hits when doing a google search. If you don't like it, do another search and you'll easily find better sources.
    Sorry, you must excuse me if I distrust French politicians.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    And some of you seem to have the unending desire to PROVE to us "right wing Christian wackos" that we are wrong
    I don't have to prove anything. I'm not the one insisting that fairy stories are fact.


    Nor am I the one who sent thousands of soldiers to their deaths because "I'm on a mission from god."

    Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins"
    Bush explained to French Pres. Chirac that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Mid-East and must be defeated.

    In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

    "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

    Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

    "This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins".


    The story of the conversation emerged only because the Elyse Palace, baffled by Bush's words, sought advice from Thomas Romer, a professor of theology at the University of Lausanne. Four years later, Romer gave an account in the September 2007 issue of the university's review, Allez savoir. The article apparently went unnoticed, although it was referred to in a French newspaper.

    The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice. Chirac is said to have been stupefied and disturbed by Bush's invocation of Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs".

    In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on "a mission from God" in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord.
    P.S. Using a lot of capitalization isn't helping your position at all.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Sorry, you must excuse me if I distrust French politicians.
    Yeah, I'm not sure how credible Chirac's claim is. He certainly had a beef with Bush. So it's well possible he made it up, or at least exaggerated what Bush said. Also possible that Chirac didn't get it was a weird joke (Bush was known for his weird sense of humor, after all).

    Personally, I'm not sure how credible either Chirac or Bush are when making such statements.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Sorry, you must excuse me if I distrust French politicians.
    Translation: I'll believe whatever nutty thing I want to, facts be damned.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Translation: I'll believe whatever nutty thing I want to, facts be damned.
    Bush's comments as stated by a person who had noted disagreements and dislike for the man is hardly any more credible or any more reliable really than this with the only difference being at least in that case the person making the accusation is actually confirmed as to have made it. However the swearing of it as gospel truth as if its unquestionable while poo pooing the Obama thing is just nothing but an exercise in complete and utter bias.

    And, as someone that's not overly religious, I'll take the relatively average every day christian that minds his own business and simply holds onto his faith over the militant athiets that have to belittle, insult, and swipe down anyone and everyone in broad strokes that dares to believe different than they do. At least the vast majority of every day religious people have tact, class, and are relatively polite in my experience which is quite contrary to the way militant athiests seem to routinely act on this forum when it comes to any discussion then can even LOOSELY begin their religious rants about.

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