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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Proof he is out of his class. He is lost in terms of his behavior. He never has the American flag behind him in his press conferences. He does not have the knowledge and will to stop smoking, he bows to other leaders (he is not and never will be a leader). He is at best an embarrassment to this once great nation. He is only a golden voice boy and like the pide piper he lead people to follow him. Well some did and look where we are. He will be run out of office in the next election and that is a guarantee.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Just be aware of the fact that your German nationality, or at least the fact that you exist somewhere in the Eurozone, is going to be used against you on a regular basis whether you take potshots at someone else's nationality or not.

    It's not fair, it's not right, and it's not particularly mature, but it's going to happen.
    Like Conservatives get continually crapped on by the Eurozone.
    Were you around during the Reagan years? I was, and spent a good portion of my time in Europe.
    Were you politically aware during the Bush 43 years?
    Same crap, same posters, same BS as with Reagan.

    They love our weak leaders. Clinton, Carter, Obama are all studs in Euroland... all dicks at home.

    I know Europe, and their tendency toward the US is arrogance, and arrogant for the most part. They think we're a bunch of dumb hayseeds.
    I have no qualms stating it as it is. Germans are badly informed and have a narrow press corps. It is a sewer pipe.
    It serves the general public very badly, as the discussion is limited and the mentality intolerant.

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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Zimmer, you're comparing apple and oranges when you try to compare the European political landscape and the European media to yours. From your stand point, everything over here looks left. From our standpoint, you guys don't even have a left. I mean even our SVP/UDC right wing party here in Switzerland seems center left compared to your so called "left".
    Our press are a bunch of EuroZone wannabe's and have been for decades.
    They've assisted in the institution of all manner of socialist baggage on the nation, and we're drowning in debt because of it.
    Like the Euro press, they're propagandists.

    I have good friends in Switzerland, don't follow their politics a lot, was happy to see the latest vote with regard to Swiss banking regs were upheld in the lower parliament, but it seems for the wrong reasons.

    As far as media... what is wrong with having something broad?
    In the US we had leftist networks for decades until FOX came along, and when Reagan was elected neither FOX nor conservative talk radio existed.

    I'd say we had oranges and oranges before. Now we have apples and oranges merely because the new media in the US has offered two sides of the equation.

    Don't believe me, read the following. Hell, we even had a major Leftist network and Newspaper try to swing a presidential election in its dying days.
    Fineman: 'Mainstream Media Party' is over - Howard Fineman- msnbc.com

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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Our press are a bunch of EuroZone wannabe's and have been for decades.
    They've assisted in the institution of all manner of socialist baggage on the nation, and we're drowning in debt because of it.
    Like the Euro press, they're propagandists.

    I have good friends in Switzerland, don't follow their politics a lot, was happy to see the latest vote with regard to Swiss banking regs were upheld in the lower parliament, but it seems for the wrong reasons.

    As far as media... what is wrong with having something broad?
    In the US we had leftist networks for decades until FOX came along, and when Reagan was elected neither FOX nor conservative talk radio existed.

    I'd say we had oranges and oranges before. Now we have apples and oranges merely because the new media in the US has offered two sides of the equation.

    Don't believe me, read the following. Hell, we even had a major Leftist network and Newspaper try to swing a presidential election in its dying days.
    Fineman: 'Mainstream Media Party' is over - Howard Fineman- msnbc.com

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    If your press was really a bunch of Eurozone wannabes you would have the broad range of newspapers that we have. All your newspapers are either center-right or center-left. You don't really have rightwing newspapers like we do, nor do you have socialist or communist newspapers either. All your press is pretty much centrist. I don't understand how you can think that you have a broad range of opinions. With the exception of FOX on cable news and talk radio, I don't see much variety at all.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I know Europe, and their tendency toward the US is arrogance, and arrogant for the most part. They think we're a bunch of dumb hayseeds.

    Like Conservatives get continually crapped on by the Eurozone.
    Were you around during the Reagan years? I was, and spent a good portion of my time in Europe.
    Were you politically aware during the Bush 43 years?
    Same crap, same posters, same BS as with Reagan.
    I agree with you. At least partially, there is a rather ignorant attitude of Europeans against the US, or at least the right in the US. Many left-leaning people in Europe have different values and attitudes than the American right, which leads to criticism that often is ignorant and becomes arrogance and self-righteousness.

    But two things: This problem is definitely not limited to the European side. From what I can see, the problem is not any better when it comes to ignorance, arrogance and self-righteousness of the American right towards Europe.

    Remember the hatred advanced against Germany and especially France, when those two countries opposed the Iraq war? As I see it, there were very good and legitimate reasons to oppose the war. Still, we were labelled "terrorist sympathizers", "anti-American", accused of "appeasement", called "socialists". Remember the "Freedom Fries"?

    Tell me you yankees are any less ignorant or arrogant when it comes to your opinions of those "cheese eating surrender monkeys".

    Second: Just because European criticism of the American right often is arrogant, it doesn't mean it always is, and it doesn't mean there is no legitimate criticism or no valid, good arguments against policies by the American right. In fact, much criticism against Bush's Iraq war for example , from what I can see, was rather level-headed and valid. The anti-American sentiment just was often shriller, not more numerous.

    So unless you say the American right and Bush is generally beyond criticism (which would make you a partisan hack), you should acknowledge that it's legitimate to criticize him and be of a different opinion, even when you happen to be European.

    They love our weak leaders. Clinton, Carter, Obama are all studs in Euroland... all dicks at home.
    It's perfectly legitimate that you don't like these Presidents. But last time I checked, there are quite a few Americans who are fond of them (well, at least of Clinton and Obama), while there are also quite a few Americans who are not so fond of Reagan or Bush.

    If you have a different opinion, fine, that's your right. But if you said it's illegitimate by default to be fond of liberal Presidents, that would make you, with all due respect, a partisan hack.

    I have no qualms stating it as it is. Germans are badly informed and have a narrow press corps. It is a sewer pipe.
    It serves the general public very badly, as the discussion is limited and the mentality intolerant.

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    Here I beg to differ. It's true, we don't have anything like right-wing talk radio here. That's simply because a religious right does not exist here at all. We simply don't have right-wingers here who would make such a program, nor people to consume it. There is no market for it.

    We do have a wide variety of different political leaning and degree of quality when it comes to newspapers. "Neues Deutschland" is a far-left paper, so is "Junge Welt". "Junge Freiheit" is a far-right paper where even neo-Nazis sometimes have their space. There is the alternative, environmentalist "tageszeitung" and the populist mainstream tabloid "Bild". There are quality papers like the conservative "FAZ" or the liberal "SZ". There are weekly papers like the mainstream "Spiegel" or the highbrow "Zeit".

    You don't think American far-right pro-Bush/pro-Republican opinions are advanced in Germany? Ever heard of the main editor of the weekly "Die Zeit", Josef Joffe? Or freelance writer Henryk Broder, who often writes for "Spiegel"?

    While Germany may be lacking the extreme right wing of American opinions, I think it's safe to say that in return, America is totally lacking genuinely socialist or even social democratic opinions. So we're even.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Like Conservatives get continually crapped on by the Eurozone.
    I've never said that residents of the Eurozone are perfect, but even if they do as you describe how does that make it okay for us to do it too?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Were you around during the Reagan years? I was, and spent a good portion of my time in Europe.
    Dude, THIS BOARD wasn't around during the Reagan years. Let's stick to something recent enough to be salient to the discussion, mmm?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Were you politically aware during the Bush 43 years?
    Yep, voted for him twice (more reluctantly the second time, admittedly), and then one day I woke up with a political hangover.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    They love our weak leaders.
    Given the examples you cited, I'll take "weak" to translate roughly into "didn't go to Europe, make an ass out of themselves with foreign heads of state, or try to tell other countries how to run their business."

    I'm down with that. So is Europe, I'd imagine.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I know Europe, and their tendency toward the US is arrogance, and arrogant for the most part. They think we're a bunch of dumb hayseeds.
    Great, so you just go ahead and prove them right by spanking on Europeans for the crime of being European.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It serves the general public very badly, as the discussion is limited and the mentality intolerant.
    As if you had the perspective to honestly accuse anyone else of being "intolerant." Oh, that's rich!
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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