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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

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    Germans are an ill informed flock. It's because your press keeps you nice and ignorant.
    An American accusing a whole other society of ignorance -- that's hilarious.

    How many alarmingly craptacular survey and test results does our public education system have to produce, how far down the educational ladder do we have to fall in comparison to other nations, how many Americans have to say "no, I have no idea where that country is" on a survey before you figure out that no citizen of the United States has any grounds upon which to accuse a whole other society of ignorance?

    I'd be willing to hazard a guess that most of us couldn't name the principle figures in the German government without using Google, much less the structure of that government or its foundational documents, and yet the same is most likely not true of most Germans.

    Go ahead and keep telling yourself that anybody who disagrees with you is somehow inferior, ill-informed, or mentally infirm. I'm sure it must be a very comforting mantra.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Just want to step in and say no harm was done, and I have no ill feelings. Yes, I think Zimmer's statements were rather ignorant and rude, but he's at least right when he says this kind of thing occurs on both sides of the ocean. I'm sure there are pretty ignorant and rude Germans too, who'd say similar things about the US.

    Anyway, I hope after this has settled, we can have a good debate. All nice and fun, and civil.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    I can appreciate where you're coming from, German guy. You've made your position very clear.

    It's just that when somebody pisses me off, I can't shut up.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    An American accusing a whole other society of ignorance -- that's hilarious.

    How many alarmingly craptacular survey and test results does our public education system have to produce, how far down the educational ladder do we have to fall in comparison to other nations, how many Americans have to say "no, I have no idea where that country is" on a survey before you figure out that no citizen of the United States has any grounds upon which to accuse a whole other society of ignorance?

    I'd be willing to hazard a guess that most of us couldn't name the principle figures in the German government without using Google, much less the structure of that government or its foundational documents, and yet the same is most likely not true of most Germans.

    Go ahead and keep telling yourself that anybody who disagrees with you is somehow inferior, ill-informed, or mentally infirm. I'm sure it must be a very comforting mantra.
    Most couldn't tell who the key players are, but I can tell you who they are, what party, their general platform, and their modern history. I'm even well enough versed to be able to rattle on about regional politics. Even obscure facts such as the state parliament in Schleswig-Holstein allowing the Danish based party to sit members that won seats even if they don't crack the 5% threshold.

    In fact, I would venture I know German politics, the German Press and Germany far better than most Germans.

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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Most couldn't tell who the key players are, but I can tell you who they are, what party, their general platform, and their modern history. I'm even well enough versed to be able to rattle on about regional politics. Even obscure facts such as the state parliament in Schleswig-Holstein allowing the Danish based party to sit members that won seats even if they don't crack the 5% threshold.

    In fact, I would venture I know German politics, the German Press and Germany far better than most Germans.
    Well, that's just ducky. Most of your countrymen are not in the same position.

    Ergo, accusing the German people of ignorance when we've got that wholesale here at home makes you look like a hypocrite and a moron.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

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    Well, that's just ducky. Most of your countrymen are not in the same position.

    Ergo, accusing the German people of ignorance when we've got that wholesale here at home makes you look like a hypocrite and a moron.
    There are more outlets and points of view to be had in the States, hence the sewer pipe analogy for the German press. One I'll stick by.

    Some may say the press is reflecting the view of the people, but that is not what the press should do. That isn't their role. They should report facts and all sides of the story.
    That's how you produce an informed, tolerant public. That is missing in Germany.

    Jetzt zum Fussball.

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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Okay, so I see you now understand it was silly to accuse the German people of ignorance when we've got so much of it here it at home.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There are more outlets and points of view to be had in the States, hence the sewer pipe analogy for the German press. One I'll stick by.

    Some may say the press is reflecting the view of the people, but that is not what the press should do. That isn't their role. They should report facts and all sides of the story.
    That's how you produce an informed, tolerant public. That is missing in Germany.

    Jetzt zum Fussball.

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    It's ironic that you would name FOX News of all sources as a good example for balanced quality media in the US. (Assuming you are not joking here -- although I'm inclined to believe you are, because nobody with a clear mind could possible be serious about it.)

    I think there is really not much I need to add, such a statement speaks volumes.
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    Re: Obama Seeking "Ass To Kick" Over Oil Spill

    . . . plus, whatever happened to the hopeless liberal bias of the media?

    I guess it vanished when it came time to spank on Germany.
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