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Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

Awww, what a SHOCK they cannot find the tapes proving the Israelis lied. And you visit an activist website to get this too! Propaganda much?

They can't because it was seized by the IDF.

And the only thing we have to believe your claims, Vicchio, is what the IDF has claimed. Propaganda much? Use an objective source to prove that the tapes are real. You can't because you take the IDF's account as objective.
 
Awww, what a SHOCK they cannot find the tapes proving the Israelis lied. And you visit an activist website to get this too! Propaganda much?

The retraction was made by the IDF. If truth is not your interest responding to your posts is not mine. I have noticed you just bait. Not interested I will put you on ignore.
 
The retraction was made by the IDF. If truth is not your interest responding to your posts is not mine. I have noticed you just bait. Not interested I will put you on ignore.

I'm hurt that a freegaza reader would put me on ignore.


Do you put everyone that disagrees with you on ignore?
 
They can't because it was seized by the IDF.

And the only thing we have to believe your claims, Vicchio, is what the IDF has claimed. Propaganda much? Use an objective source to prove that the tapes are real. You can't because you take the IDF's account as objective.

You have nothing to prove the IDF tapes are not legit, and you only do that because it's Jewish.
 
The retraction was made by the IDF. If truth is not your interest responding to your posts is not mine. I have noticed you just bait. Not interested I will put you on ignore.

This entire forum would be better off if we could ignore the constant stream of hate sites and propaganda sites you reference. THis particular one also calls itself "delegitimize.com" -- a reference to its desire to delegitimize Israel as a step towards destroying it.
 
This entire forum would be better off if we could ignore the constant stream of hate sites and propaganda sites you reference. THis particular one also calls itself "delegitimize.com" -- a reference to its desire to delegitimize Israel as a step towards destroying it.
Oh snap, now you're talking crazy talk, you'll get put on ignore dog.
 
You have nothing to prove the IDF tapes are not legit, and you only do that because it's Jewish.

You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.
 
You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.

That is your personal bias showing through. You are against anything and anybody who stands up for Israel.
 
That is your personal bias showing through. You are against anything and anybody who stands up for Israel.

That is your own personal opinion. I am critical of Israeli foreign policy.

I even said Israel had every right to board the ship had it been in Israeli territorial waters or Gaza's territorial waters (since Israel maintains a maritime blockade on Gaza's naval border). Does that count as me being against Israel?
 
That is your own personal opinion. I am critical of Israeli foreign policy.

I even said Israel had every right to board the ship had it been in Israeli territorial waters or Gaza's territorial waters (since Israel maintains a maritime blockade on Gaza's naval border). Does that count as me being against Israel?

How would a ship sailing to Gaza winf up in Israeli territorial waters? Are you saying that no blockade is legal, and that JFK was a criminal, stopping the Soviets bringing missles to Cuba?
 
You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.

Coming from a person with a lower credibility than the Taliban, I do not think it holds much water truly. :2razz:
 
You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.

There is certainly no question that when official organisations produce material which is not what they say it is and is deliberately designed to create a false impression, their credibility is seriously reduced.
 
There is certainly no question that when official organisations produce material which is not what they say it is and is deliberately designed to create a false impression, their credibility is seriously reduced.

I think its credibility was completely restored when it has posted the unedited video and we've all witnessed that the editing was completely irreverent to the point made by the publishing of the tape.
At no part did the IDF say that the tape was not cut short.
 
I think its credibility was completely restored when it has posted the unedited video and we've all witnessed that the editing was completely irreverent to the point made by the publishing of the tape.
At no part did the IDF say that the tape was not cut short.

I disagree. The recording was originally attributing unacceptable statements to the crew of the Mavi Marmara

However they later say

Last week, the Israel Defence Force had to issue a retraction over an audio clip it had claimed was a conversation between Israeli naval officials and people on the Mavi Marmara, in which an activist told soldiers to "go back to Auschwitz". The clip was carried by Israeli and international press, but today the army released a "clarification/correction", explaining that it had edited the footage and that it was not clear who had made the comment.

Israel forced to apologise for YouTube spoof of Gaza flotilla | World news | The Guardian

That is showing an intention to deceive. It has further been said though not by the IDF by Huwaida Arraf that she heard all the statements and that no one said the offensive things. As the IDF has already been shown to be trying to create a false impression by saying these comments were made by the Mavi Marmara and has now changed it to ithe somewhat nebulous " it was not clear who had made the comment" there is no reason at all to believe it was made by any passenger on the flotilla, even without what Arraf said.

This was an attempt to deceive and we can see that many people on this thread were deceived. I believed for a while a person on the flotilla had said this.

Here, in my part of the world, if false information is given out as it was, that false information being that these unacceptable utterances came from the Mavi Marmara, when at best at the moment it is unclear who they were said by, at worst they were deliberately put in, credibility is lost.
 
How would a ship sailing to Gaza winf up in Israeli territorial waters?
Go look at a map...
Are you saying that no blockade is legal, and that JFK was a criminal, stopping the Soviets bringing missles to Cuba?

No, I am saying Israel's blockade of Gaza is illegal because:
- it does not distinguish between civilian and military
- the damage to the civilian population is excessive in relation to the direct military advtange gained
- the blockade is not effective in reducing militants' capabilities to launch rockets in Israel

And do you think JFK banned chocolate, shoes, coriander, ginger, jam, potato chips, fresh meat, dried fruit, etc. from Cuba? Can you tell me what direct military advantage is gained from banning those items? That is why the blockade is illegal and will always be illegal until Israel revises the terms of that blockade.
http://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/HiddenMessages/ItemsGazaStrip060510.pdf
 
Coming from a person with a lower credibility than the Taliban, I do not think it holds much water truly. :2razz:

Snide remark, nothing substantial.

Great work Apocalypse!
 
Go look at a map...


No, I am saying Israel's blockade of Gaza is illegal because:
- it does not distinguish between civilian and military
- the damage to the civilian population is excessive in relation to the direct military advtange gained
- the blockade is not effective in reducing militants' capabilities to launch rockets in Israel

And do you think JFK banned chocolate, shoes, coriander, ginger, jam, potato chips, fresh meat, dried fruit, etc. from Cuba? Can you tell me what direct military advantage is gained from banning those items? That is why the blockade is illegal and will always be illegal until Israel revises the terms of that blockade.
http://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/HiddenMessages/ItemsGazaStrip060510.pdf

How can you distinguish between a civilian and a soldier when the civilian is a suicide bomber. Remember the Wooden Horse Of Troy?
 
Is Gisha.org a legitimate source?

(It's supported by George Soros to the tune of 200k/year.)

It could, of course, be left-wing and legit. Is it?


Gisha expresses sorrow at reports that dozens of civilians have been killed or injured during the Israeli military's interception of boats bound for the Gaza Strip, carrying humanitarian assistance and hundreds of foreign and Israeli activists, including elected representatives...

It would be better for all concerned – Israel, Palestinian residents of Gaza, and those seeking to visit Gaza – if Israel would allow the regular and free passage of people, raw materials for industry, building materials, and export goods in and out of Gaza, subject only to concrete, individual security checks.
http://www.gisha.org/index.php?intLanguage=2&intItemId=1784&intSiteSN=113
 
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Is Gisha.org a legitimate source?

(It's supported by George Soros to the tune of 200k/year.)

It could, of course, be left-wing and legit. Is it?



Gisha Site

I believe it is a somewhat biased site with an agenda that is harmful to this country, imo.
 
How can you distinguish between a civilian and a soldier when the civilian is a suicide bomber. Remember the Wooden Horse Of Troy?
Go look up the definitions... that might help. If you are going to attempt to answer my question, do it without the rhetoric.
 
Go look up the definitions... that might help. If you are going to attempt to answer my question, do it without the rhetoric.

A dictionary is not going to stop a suicide bomber. BTW, how can I answer rhetoric without rhetoric?
 
How can you distinguish between a civilian and a soldier when the civilian is a suicide bomber. Remember the Wooden Horse Of Troy?

So Israel is forced, through no fault of their own, to treat all citizens of Gaza like insane and vicious enemy combatants.
Got it.

Well, you know what? It is their fault. They should move if that's how they feel.
Personally, I'm sick of Israel whining and systematically oppressing everyone around them because they're Islamic and when it comes to Islamics "Israel can't tell the difference between a civilian and a suicide bomber".
I'm tired of them justifying atrocities with this crappy excuse.
I have no sympathy.
In that case, they should've established their "homeland" elsewhere besides smack-dab in the middle of the Islamic world.
 
I have no sympathy. In that case, they should've established their "homeland" elsewhere besides smack-dab in the middle of the Islamic world.
Indeed. Jews just threw a dart at a world map and shazzam... our homeland is right there!
 
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