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Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

Caine said:
So should I jump on defense attorneys in court when they decide to play my in car video and fast forward through the times when I am back at my car and quietly looking up info on the computer and doing nothing with their client... they do this in order to EDIT IT DOWN so we aren't wasting the courts time watching me breathe, cough, and talk to myself.
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Wait what are you trying to say here??? :blink:
 
MrVicchio said:
Wait what are you trying to say here??? :blink:
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Im saying that I see no problem with editing the damn thing down so we aren't listening to a bunch of radio silence while the IDF radio operator is scratching his nuts waiting for some sort of response.
 
Caine said:
Im saying that I see no problem with editing the damn thing down so we aren't listening to a bunch of radio silence while the IDF radio operator is scratching his nuts waiting for some sort of response.
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You quoted me that confused me a little. TY for the clarification.
 
Just a couple general comments. It is possible to disagree with an action taken by Israel and not be "anti-Israel" or "pro-terrorist". That type of rhetoric is not useful and will only lead to bad feelings and an easy way to dismiss what the poster says.

Whether the audio is edited or not, we will never know for sure. Both those who supplied the audio, and those claiming it edited for content are biased, and have motive for potential dishonesty. I think it should be safe to say that if the tape is legit, the words are entirely offensive and inappropriate. I would hope that this is something we could all agree on.

At times this thread, and others on the topic, represent what is the problem with the whole ME, Israel/ME situation. Some on both sides seem to think in extremes, see the other side as an enemy who must not be compromised with, and those who have a more central position get drowned out in the noise from those on the extreme.
 
Redress said:
Just a couple general comments. It is possible to disagree with an action taken by Israel and not be "anti-Israel" or "pro-terrorist". That type of rhetoric is not useful and will only lead to bad feelings and an easy way to dismiss what the poster says.

Whether the audio is edited or not, we will never know for sure. Both those who supplied the audio, and those claiming it edited for content are biased, and have motive for potential dishonesty. I think it should be safe to say that if the tape is legit, the words are entirely offensive and inappropriate. I would hope that this is something we could all agree on.

At times this thread, and others on the topic, represent what is the problem with the whole ME, Israel/ME situation. Some on both sides seem to think in extremes, see the other side as an enemy who must not be compromised with, and those who have a more central position get drowned out in the noise from those on the extreme.
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Agreed, if this tape is not edited it is entirely offensive, and the person who said it should be ashamed of themselves. I also say that the anti Semitic is a bogus thing, since Arabs are semtic people as well, so no this doesn't make you anti Semitic, if you don't support Israels actions in this case. It does get very tiring when I'm labeled a anti Semitic for say I think I can't trust Israel evidence as the full truth. The thing is, Israel admitted to editing down tapes , so how can I fully trust this evidence as the truth?
 
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Redress said:
Just a couple general comments. It is possible to disagree with an action taken by Israel and not be "anti-Israel" or "pro-terrorist". That type of rhetoric is not useful and will only lead to bad feelings and an easy way to dismiss what the poster says.

Whether the audio is edited or not, we will never know for sure. Both those who supplied the audio, and those claiming it edited for content are biased, and have motive for potential dishonesty. I think it should be safe to say that if the tape is legit, the words are entirely offensive and inappropriate. I would hope that this is something we could all agree on.

At times this thread, and others on the topic, represent what is the problem with the whole ME, Israel/ME situation. Some on both sides seem to think in extremes, see the other side as an enemy who must not be compromised with, and those who have a more central position get drowned out in the noise from those on the extreme.
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And some people couch their bias in generalities and pretend to be centrist even though they really have an angle.
 
MrVicchio said:
And some people couch their bias in generalities and pretend to be centrist even though they really have an angle.
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And some people see things that are not really there.
 
Redress said:
And some people see things that are not really there.
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Some people know little or nothing about the subject matter and deny that which is perfectly obvious.
 
MrVicchio said:
They edited it down, and also released the RAW AUDIO.

So, that's not "Tampering" with evidence. You should look up the word, and while you are at it, look up "context" and "logic".
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tam·per
1   /ˈtæmpər/ Show Spelled[tam-per] Show IPA
–verb (used without object)
1.
to meddle, esp. for the purpose of altering, damaging, or misusing (usually fol. by with): Someone has been tampering with the lock.
2.
to make changes in something, esp. in order to falsify (usually fol. by with): to tamper with official records.
3.
to engage secretly or improperly in something.
4.
to engage in underhand or corrupt dealings, esp. in order to influence improperly (usually fol. by with): Any lawyer who tries to tamper with a jury should be disbarred.
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Are you stating the initial audio tape wasn't altered one bit?

They tampered with that one, then proceeded to incorrectly assume that the ship that broadcasted those comments was the Mavi Mamara. Regardless of what YOU believe, the IDF has shown that it is not credible.

Perhaps you should look up 'common sense' in the dictionary.
 
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OK, enough of the personal attacks. Just discuss the topic.
 
Go back to Auschwitz.

What kinda moron thought that was a good idea to say? really?
 
Caine said:
Go back to Auschwitz.

What kinda moron thought that was a good idea to say? really?
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sounds like a child who has learnt just to hurl abuse rather than dealing with the situation.:doh
 
Degreez said:
Are you stating the initial audio tape wasn't altered one bit?

They tampered with that one, then proceeded to incorrectly assume that the ship that broadcasted those comments was the Mavi Mamara. Regardless of what YOU believe, the IDF has shown that it is not credible.

Perhaps you should look up 'common sense' in the dictionary.
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They EDITED IT TO CLEAR OUT ALL OF THE EXTRANEOUS "STUFF".

Do you consider it "Tampering" when a news broadcast shows clips from a speech? After all, they alter it, they edit it, they show certain segments....

Your post is devoid of any sense, common or otherwise.
 
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Degreez said:
Are you stating the initial audio tape wasn't altered one bit?

They tampered with that one, then proceeded to incorrectly assume that the ship that broadcasted those comments was the Mavi Mamara. Regardless of what YOU believe, the IDF has shown that it is not credible.

Perhaps you should look up 'common sense' in the dictionary.
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A) Editing out blank air is not tampering.

B) There was no way to differentiate between the ships communications as they were using open radio frequencies.

C) It is the flotilla jihadists who have shown themselves to be uncredible.
 
MrVicchio said:
They EDITED IT TO CLEAR OUT ALL OF THE EXTRANEOUS "STUFF".

Do you consider it "Tampering" when a news broadcast shows clips from a speech? After all, they alter it, they edit it, they show certain segments....

Your post is devoid of any sense, common or otherwise.
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Agent Ferris said:
A) Editing out blank air is not tampering.

B) There was no way to differentiate between the ships communications as they were using open radio frequencies.

C) It is the flotilla jihadists who have shown themselves to be uncredible.
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HAve you guys actually listened to the unedited tape? I just did. It was a ****load more than dead air and gibberish. There were some very, very clear statements removed from the edited version.



IMO, there is no doubt the edited version was tampered with.

Open channel means that we don't know for sure who was adding the racist statements. We do know that the woman who, in the edited tape, claimed that they had authority form the Gazan Port Authority clearly said far more than what was in the original, edited release.
 
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Tucker Case said:
IMO, there is no doubt the edited version was tampered with.
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Tampered eh?

Do define "Tampered" with. They edited it to highlight a particular exchange,. OH GNOES!!! IT'S TAMPERING!! AND Then, because they started out as smart devious folks. but then let the cat out of the bag by releasing the full audio!

So for your version of reality to be correct, the Israeli's would have to be morons. Are you saying they are morons?
 
MrVicchio said:
Tampered eh?

Do define "Tampered" with. They edited it to highlight a particular exchange,. OH GNOES!!! IT'S TAMPERING!! AND Then, because they started out as smart devious folks. but then let the cat out of the bag by releasing the full audio!

So for your version of reality to be correct, the Israeli's would have to be morons. Are you saying they are morons?
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Are you saying that the audio I posted was not accurate?
 
1069 said:
Evidence for this?
There are a lot of critical thinkers on this forum (along with many sheep).



I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
If it did, we'd all be Christians, since none of us can "prove" God doesn't exist.
I'd say the onus of proof is on the person making the claim (in this case, an involved party with a personal interest at stake).
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Wrong the burden of proof is on the person to disprove the story. It's well established legal doctrine. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/burden+of+proof
 
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MrVicchio said:
Tampered eh?

Do define "Tampered" with. They edited it to highlight a particular exchange,. OH GNOES!!! IT'S TAMPERING!! AND Then, because they started out as smart devious folks. but then let the cat out of the bag by releasing the full audio!

So for your version of reality to be correct, the Israeli's would have to be morons. Are you saying they are morons?
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BTW, let me add that I don't think the Israelis are morons. I have no idea why the editted tape was released. I do know that when you listen to the full version, they clearly indicate that the flotilla needed to stop advancing or they would face dire consequences.

IMO, the full audio is a betterdefense of the IDF's actions than the editted one was because the people on the flotilla clearly decided to defy the orders and thus place themselve sin harms way.

The IDF person clearly said that the captain of the flotilla was forcing the issue, and that the consequences would be dire. Ignoring a warning such as that is asking to get treated as they were treated, IMO, and I have no sympathy for them.
 
Tucker Case said:
Are you saying that the audio I posted was not accurate?
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You are not accurate, that is what I am saying. It's okay though, you're allowed to be this way, it's only Israel.
 
Tucker Case said:
See the post right yours.
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I saw your post, it was covering all the bases, you slam the Flotilla for running the Blockade, and you accuse the IDF of "tampering" with audio.

It's okay, this way you're right down the center, and no one can hate you... or take you seriously.
 
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Tucker Case said:
HAve you guys actually listened to the unedited tape? I just did. It was a ****load more than dead air and gibberish. There were some very, very clear statements removed from the edited version.



IMO, there is no doubt the edited version was tampered with.

Open channel means that we don't know for sure who was adding the racist statements. We do know that the woman who, in the edited tape, claimed that they had authority form the Gazan Port Authority clearly said far more than what was in the original, edited release.
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:roll: They edited out useless stuff, unless you are asserting that they dubbed in those statements then what the hell is your point?
 
MrVicchio said:
I saw your post, it was covering all the bases, you slam the Flotilla for running the Blockade, and you accuse the IDF of "tampering" with audio.

It's okay, this way you're right down the center, and no one can hate you... or take you seriously.
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Whoever edited the audio tampered with it, yes. They very clearly took out more than just empty space and gibberish. Why did they do that? What purpose does it serve?

How bout this. I'll use a post of yours as an example of what was done to the audio:

They edited it to highlight a particular exchange. IT'S TAMPERING!! they are morons
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These are your words "edited" to highlight particular parts of the "exchange". I hereby decree that everything I removes was unintelligible and dead air.

We both know that this is not true. I clearly tampered with your post to show how it is tampering to take certain parts of it and change how they were released. I removed all context.

I changed how things went down. That's what happened in that edited audio.

BTW, the full text of your quote was

Tampered eh?

Do define "Tampered" with. They edited it to highlight a particular exchange,. OH GNOES!!! IT'S TAMPERING!! AND Then, because they started out as smart devious folks. but then let the cat out of the bag by releasing the full audio!

So for your version of reality to be correct, the Israeli's would have to be morons. Are you saying they are morons?
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I bolded the parts I included to show that I didn't change a single word of what you had written. i merely tampered with it.
 
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