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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    I have to admit I was at a loss to see what gain Israel would have from boarding this ship (not realizing until later that there were several ships in a convoy), I would much prefer that Israel not board this latest ship but instead immobilize it so that it drifts around until someone comes to collect a salvage fee for rescuing it.
    Then, Israel would be breaking maritime law by not rendering assistance to a ship in distress. Not to mention, firing upon a Turkish flagged ship would have been an act of war against Turkey. Ever hear of the Lusitania?
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, Israel would be breaking maritime law by not rendering assistance to a ship in distress. Not to mention, firing upon a Turkish flagged ship would have been an act of war against Turkey. Ever hear of the Lusitania?
    Actually Israel is allowed to shoot at ships that do not answer its warnings(Even on international waters) and intend on running its naval blockade, according to international law.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    I have to admit I was at a loss to see what gain Israel would have from boarding this ship (not realizing until later that there were several ships in a convoy), I would much prefer that Israel not board this latest ship but instead immobilize it so that it drifts around until someone comes to collect a salvage fee for rescuing it.
    Now this would have been a great idea.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, Israel would be breaking maritime law by not rendering assistance to a ship in distress. Not to mention, firing upon a Turkish flagged ship would have been an act of war against Turkey. Ever hear of the Lusitania?
    Hmm you do have a point here.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Here's the problem, Zyph. If the audio was of George Bush definitively offering Michael Moore a bribe, rather than some odd rambling, the suspension of disbelief, regardless of the source would be minimized. Is it possible that it could be some odd snippets that Moore put together? Sure, however, one must look at the quality of the audio. Does this seem legitimate? Based on the quality and the presentation, I would lean more towards it's legitimacy than not, and I have heard nothing definitive on the negative side.
    I have a doubt because on the 31st May the IDF released a video recording (or recording same picture) saying the same and the person replied, 'no we are going to Gaza'. This I understood was supposed to be the recording from the ship where all hell broke lose. It seems to me that it would have been in Israel's interest to release this video on the 31st if that and not 'no, we are going to Gaza' was what the people on that boat said.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    provide basis for the validity of the recordings by approving that the voice of one of the recorded passengers was real. (His wife)
    That she wasn't on the Mavi Marmara absolutely does nothing to prove that the recording wasn't real, at most it was a mistake to label this as a recording from the Mavi Marmara specifically and not from the flotilla as a whole.
    And if you haven't noticed it earlier, the wife not being on the Mavi Marmara, according to the article, is the only thing that they have that questions its validity, and even that doesn't question the validity of the recording.
    I believe she was on the Challenger. I therefore assumed that this is supposed to be a collection of them talking to all the ships.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Both your sources are ultimately the IDF. If the IDF is of questionable accuracy(and they are since they are in the middle of the events), then neither is reliable. I am not doubting that the recording is real, only showing the flaw in your argument. Personally, I think the recordings are probably real, but I can see how people can question them.
    Ummmm...... Being as this was an incident that occurred out in the middle of the freaking sea, how exactly could there be an independant witness on this matter?
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Ummmm...... Being as this was an incident that occurred out in the middle of the freaking sea, how exactly could there be an independant witness on this matter?
    They could let someone examine the tape to see if it's been doctored.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I believe she was on the Challenger. I therefore assumed that this is supposed to be a collection of them talking to all the ships.
    And you were correct.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz - Israel News, Ynetnews


    Hmm, sounds like the flotilla folks were cruisin for a bruisin.
    Oh those crazy Nazi peace activists.

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