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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You have nothing to prove the IDF tapes are not legit, and you only do that because it's Jewish.
    You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

    I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

    I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.
    That is your personal bias showing through. You are against anything and anybody who stands up for Israel.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    That is your personal bias showing through. You are against anything and anybody who stands up for Israel.
    That is your own personal opinion. I am critical of Israeli foreign policy.

    I even said Israel had every right to board the ship had it been in Israeli territorial waters or Gaza's territorial waters (since Israel maintains a maritime blockade on Gaza's naval border). Does that count as me being against Israel?

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    That is your own personal opinion. I am critical of Israeli foreign policy.

    I even said Israel had every right to board the ship had it been in Israeli territorial waters or Gaza's territorial waters (since Israel maintains a maritime blockade on Gaza's naval border). Does that count as me being against Israel?
    How would a ship sailing to Gaza winf up in Israeli territorial waters? Are you saying that no blockade is legal, and that JFK was a criminal, stopping the Soviets bringing missles to Cuba?

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

    I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.
    Coming from a person with a lower credibility than the Taliban, I do not think it holds much water truly.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    You have no proof the IDF tapes are legit, and you only believe they are because they are against Muslims.

    I do not believe the IDF has credibility anymore. They are about as credible as the Taliban.
    There is certainly no question that when official organisations produce material which is not what they say it is and is deliberately designed to create a false impression, their credibility is seriously reduced.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    There is certainly no question that when official organisations produce material which is not what they say it is and is deliberately designed to create a false impression, their credibility is seriously reduced.
    I think its credibility was completely restored when it has posted the unedited video and we've all witnessed that the editing was completely irreverent to the point made by the publishing of the tape.
    At no part did the IDF say that the tape was not cut short.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I think its credibility was completely restored when it has posted the unedited video and we've all witnessed that the editing was completely irreverent to the point made by the publishing of the tape.
    At no part did the IDF say that the tape was not cut short.
    I disagree. The recording was originally attributing unacceptable statements to the crew of the Mavi Marmara

    However they later say

    Last week, the Israel Defence Force had to issue a retraction over an audio clip it had claimed was a conversation between Israeli naval officials and people on the Mavi Marmara, in which an activist told soldiers to "go back to Auschwitz". The clip was carried by Israeli and international press, but today the army released a "clarification/correction", explaining that it had edited the footage and that it was not clear who had made the comment.
    Israel forced to apologise for YouTube spoof of Gaza flotilla | World news | The Guardian

    That is showing an intention to deceive. It has further been said though not by the IDF by Huwaida Arraf that she heard all the statements and that no one said the offensive things. As the IDF has already been shown to be trying to create a false impression by saying these comments were made by the Mavi Marmara and has now changed it to ithe somewhat nebulous " it was not clear who had made the comment" there is no reason at all to believe it was made by any passenger on the flotilla, even without what Arraf said.

    This was an attempt to deceive and we can see that many people on this thread were deceived. I believed for a while a person on the flotilla had said this.

    Here, in my part of the world, if false information is given out as it was, that false information being that these unacceptable utterances came from the Mavi Marmara, when at best at the moment it is unclear who they were said by, at worst they were deliberately put in, credibility is lost.
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