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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Well that I can agree with.

    Let me also add, in regard to the lose-lose PR situation Israel was facing, that for an entire week prior to the flotilla's interception, during a time that the majority of the world hasn't even heard about the existence of that flotilla, Israeli officials were being interviewed on Israeli media stating that a PR disaster is on its way, counting the days remaining to the predicted headlines on the international media.
    The PR disaster was fully predicted and it just couldn't have been avoided.
    The whole PR disaster surrounding the actual intereception was totally unavoidable. On that I agree 100%. IMO, it actually helped that the Rachel Corrie came right on the heals of this one and was handled so well by the Israelis. The timing of events couldn't have gone better for Israel, IMO.

    Of course, that's not as widely reported as it would have been if things didn't go well, but there were people paying attention.

    I do however think that in every bad thing there's a good thing, and I find that more and more people are opening their eyes to the double standards towards anything that Israel does due to this incident.
    I think my eyes were opened to the double standard a while back discussing things with Tashah, as well as yourself and others on this board whom I repsect and who have what I consider to be rational views of things.

    One of the things that has changed for me somewhat since I signed up to DP is that I now tend to wait for all of the facts to become available to me before I make an opinion about Israel's actions. I try not to jump the gun on things anymore.

    I admit that two years ago, I would have probably been very critical of Israel over the flotilla thing from the start. After all the facts had come out, I would have had to admit that I jumped the gun on my criticisms. Being a member here at DP has changed my approach to things for the better.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If Israel solved world hunger tomorrow, the world would demonize them for it.
    Something along the lines of "how dare they put all of those Palestinian farmers out of business, just another example of Israeli apartheid and genocide."

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Last week, the Israel Defence Force had to issue a retraction over an audio clip it had claimed was a conversation between Israeli naval officials and people on the Mavi Marmara, in which an activist told soldiers to "go back to Auschwitz". The clip was carried by Israeli and international press, but today the army released a "clarification/correction", explaining that it had edited the footage and that it was not clear who had made the comment.

    The Israeli army also backed down last week from an earlier claim that soldiers were attacked by al-Qaida "mercenaries" aboard the Gaza flotilla. An article appearing on the IDF spokesperson's website with the headline: "Attackers of the IDF soldiers found to be al-Qaida mercenaries", was later changed to "Attackers of the IDF Soldiers found without identification papers," with the information about al-Qaida removed from the main article. An army spokesperson told the Guardian there was no evidence proving such a link to the terror organisation.
    Israel forced to apologise for YouTube spoof of Gaza flotilla | World news | The Guardian

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    I have already posted this, twice I think. It was ignored. Huwaida Arraf, main spokesperson for the group says that she heard all the broadcasts and neither of those offensive comments were on them. Unfortunately all their recordings have been taken so she cannot present them. I think it's on one of the two tapes here.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I have already posted this, twice I think. It was ignored. Huwaida Arraf, main spokesperson for the group says that she heard all the broadcasts and neither of those offensive comments were on them. Unfortunately all their recordings have been taken so she cannot present them. I think it's on one of the two tapes here.

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    Awww, what a SHOCK they cannot find the tapes proving the Israelis lied. And you visit an activist website to get this too! Propaganda much?
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Awww, what a SHOCK they cannot find the tapes proving the Israelis lied. And you visit an activist website to get this too! Propaganda much?
    They can't because it was seized by the IDF.

    And the only thing we have to believe your claims, Vicchio, is what the IDF has claimed. Propaganda much? Use an objective source to prove that the tapes are real. You can't because you take the IDF's account as objective.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Awww, what a SHOCK they cannot find the tapes proving the Israelis lied. And you visit an activist website to get this too! Propaganda much?
    The retraction was made by the IDF. If truth is not your interest responding to your posts is not mine. I have noticed you just bait. Not interested I will put you on ignore.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The retraction was made by the IDF. If truth is not your interest responding to your posts is not mine. I have noticed you just bait. Not interested I will put you on ignore.
    I'm hurt that a freegaza reader would put me on ignore.


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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    They can't because it was seized by the IDF.

    And the only thing we have to believe your claims, Vicchio, is what the IDF has claimed. Propaganda much? Use an objective source to prove that the tapes are real. You can't because you take the IDF's account as objective.
    You have nothing to prove the IDF tapes are not legit, and you only do that because it's Jewish.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The retraction was made by the IDF. If truth is not your interest responding to your posts is not mine. I have noticed you just bait. Not interested I will put you on ignore.
    This entire forum would be better off if we could ignore the constant stream of hate sites and propaganda sites you reference. THis particular one also calls itself "delegitimize.com" -- a reference to its desire to delegitimize Israel as a step towards destroying it.
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