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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They EDITED IT TO CLEAR OUT ALL OF THE EXTRANEOUS "STUFF".

    Do you consider it "Tampering" when a news broadcast shows clips from a speech? After all, they alter it, they edit it, they show certain segments....

    Your post is devoid of any sense, common or otherwise.
    You don't consider editting to be tampering? They are esentially the exact same thing.

    They cleared out what THEY said was merely long pauses of silence. As you can see from the unedited version, that is not true. They clearly tampered with it.

    But you won't believe me because you don't even know the definition of the word.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    You don't consider editting to be tampering? They are esentially the exact same thing.
    No I don't consider it to be tampering unless they edited it to dub in things which were not said, editing out meaningless babble and white noise =/= tampering.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Wow that article is a freaking joke, it may not have been clear which ship said it but what was clear is that one of the people in this Flotilla of "peace activists" aka violent jihadists of the IHH, said it.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No I don't consider it to be tampering unless they edited it to dub in things which were not said, editing out meaningless babble and white noise =/= tampering.
    Oh, so it is only tampering if something is added in. Not if something is taken out. How silly of me to believe tampering is not what it is defined as.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    True. But it is also important to note that those who said the audio was suspect were correct in the fact that those tapes were indeed altered.

    Were they altered to add the racist comments? No. But that doesn't change the fact that the tapes were altered.

    If I were in charge of th eIDF, whoever decided to release the edited version of the tapes would be in deep **** for that.
    Sounds like your nitpicking.

    The editing didn't change the story, therefore, who give a ****?

    Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No I don't consider it to be tampering unless they edited it to dub in things which were not said, editing out meaningless babble and white noise =/= tampering.
    The have agreed that they made out that it was passengers from the Mavi Marmara who said those offensive things. They have now admitted they do not know who it was (see post 200)
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Sounds like your nitpicking.

    The editing didn't change the story, therefore, who give a ****?

    Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
    Yes it did. It made out that is was passengers on the Mavi Marmara when they do not know who it is. That is giving a false impression. (see post 200)
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Sounds like your nitpicking.

    The editing didn't change the story, therefore, who give a ****?

    Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
    On one hand, it did, in one instance seemingly showing a relatively constant stream of anti-israeli and western comments and in the other instance having them amidst comments proclaiming peace and other non-offensive comments and sounds. If you heard a 1 minute clip of a bunch of people cup up cursing at someone, and then hear that same clip and that 1 minute is over say a 5 minute span, do those not paint slightly different pictures on first listen in regards to the intensity and frequency of said cursing?

    On the other hand, it also simply hinders the Irsaeli effort by giving potential reasonable doubt and thus giving rise to questions by those that aren't just going to mindlessly believe 100% of what they say and 0% of what the other side says. Why come in in the middle of the girls sentence? That alone should give someone pause to wonder what's actually there and at least to have the intellectual curiosity to see what it is they DEEM isn't important. Indeed, in listening to the full audio tucker actually found information he felt was MORE important for supporting the Israeli's than the anti-semetic language that the Israeli's choose to focus upon. Its a needless edit that does nothing but give rise to questions where its not needed, especially when the order of release could've been reversed.

    That said, I would not be surprised if the order of release was purposeful. One of the benefits of a clipped thing condensing a bunch of comments over a long time into a short time is that the first time people hear of the incident and hear it the mind automatically frames it in ones mind based on the time of said edited down recording. And spitballing out a half a dozen anti-semetic remarks in a short span generally seems like a much more rabble rousing bunch then it dispersed over a longer period of time.

    Does that mean I agree with the idiots on the boats at all? No. But Israel is not some sacred cow that can not be questioned and must be trusted in all things in every way 100% at all times and can not possibly do any form of wrong. They've made a number of mistakes throughout this entire thing, and I think the handling of this is yet another one.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Oh, so it is only tampering if something is added in. Not if something is taken out. How silly of me to believe tampering is not what it is defined as.
    So tell me how would any amount of editing outside of dubbing in these statements do anything to change the disgusting genocidal statements made by the jihadist flotilla?

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Yes it did. It made out that is was passengers on the Mavi Marmara when they do not know who it is. That is giving a false impression. (see post 200)
    We know that it came from members of the jihad flotilla which ship it came from is irrelevant. What we do know is that along with two other ships in the jihad flotilla the Mavi Marmara was owned and operated by the jihadist IHH, we have three of the jihadist crew members on record in Turkish newspapers expressing their desire to become Shahid, we have closeup video evidence of Israeli weapons inspectors being stabbed and beaten by metal pipes, and we have video of the Mavi Marmara crew invoking battle cries against the Jews.

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