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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed, one could never tamper with the message of something through editing and presentation without actually physically having the person say things they didn't actually say. I mean, just look at these things you've said to Tucker with regards to your alls disagreement in this thread.
    No you selectively edited, did you change anything I actually said. That's editing, not tampering.

    But you won't admit that.

    Also, did the IDF initial recording actually.. ya know, lie about the racial slurs over the mic? No, the "woman" wasn't even a factor till the full audio came out and peopel went "AH HA!! See, she said this, which sounded less innocent until we heard ALL her statements. See, we cannot trust the IDF!"

    Again, this whole hubub about "trusting the tape" is only a question because it involves the Israelis. It's PC and A-OK to assume they are the bad guys and doing underhanded wrong things.

    Also, whytf are you people defending the "Go back to Auschwitz" folks??
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Also, did the IDF initial recording actually.. ya know, lie about the racial slurs over the mic? No
    I think that's the main point that everyone should recognize.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I think that's the main point that everyone should recognize.
    It's what has me flabbergasted. So the recording didn't show that one lady on that one boat in the most positive of light! Oh man, that right there, that casts all sorts of "tampering" doubts on the whole thing. Who cares about those "supposed" racial slurs and other things, I bet, ya know if they'd "tamper" with her words, I bet they faked the rest of it. We need a FULL investigation of that tape first before we listen any more!"

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No you selectively edited, did you change anything I actually said. That's editing, not tampering.
    Please show that editing is never tampering, since that has to be your contention.

    But you won't admit that.
    Why would I admit to somehting that would be incorrect? Obviously, you aren't using the same definition of "tampering" that I am using. Mine comes from Webster's. Where does yours come from?

    Also, did the IDF initial recording actually.. ya know, lie about the racial slurs over the mic? No, the "woman" wasn't even a factor till the full audio came out and peopel went "AH HA!! See, she said this, which sounded less innocent until we heard ALL her statements. See, we cannot trust the IDF!"
    The woman's comments sandwiche between the other commetns seemed so out of place that it raised my WTF radar from the start. It made no sense. At first I thought she was form teh IDF in the edited portion of the audio since it didn't jibe with the antisemitic and anti-western comments.

    And previously someone posted information about said woman. It's been an issue form before th eunedited version was released.

    Again, this whole hubub about "trusting the tape" is only a question because it involves the Israelis. It's PC and A-OK to assume they are the bad guys and doing underhanded wrong things.
    Trusting the tape is only a question because the original tape was altered. That undermines the credibility of the source, even when they turn out to have been justified in their actions.

    The fac tof th ematter is that teh edited version was odd enough to raise red flags form teh start. It sounded odd to a lot of people. Why did it sound odd? Because it was altered.

    That's a horse**** PR move.

    Also, whytf are you people defending the "Go back to Auschwitz" folks??
    Who doing that? Please show exactly where that has occured.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I think that's the main point that everyone should recognize.
    True. But it is also important to note that those who said the audio was suspect were correct in the fact that those tapes were indeed altered.

    Were they altered to add the racist comments? No. But that doesn't change the fact that the tapes were altered.

    If I were in charge of th eIDF, whoever decided to release the edited version of the tapes would be in deep **** for that.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's what has me flabbergasted. So the recording didn't show that one lady on that one boat in the most positive of light! Oh man, that right there, that casts all sorts of "tampering" doubts on the whole thing. Who cares about those "supposed" racial slurs and other things, I bet, ya know if they'd "tamper" with her words, I bet they faked the rest of it. We need a FULL investigation of that tape first before we listen any more!"

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Do you ever grow weary of playing with strawmen?
    Since I cannot put you on ignore, I have to tolerate them constantly.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

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    So?
    We've lynched blacks for their race within living memory of people who are barely middle-aged.
    We've systematically oppressed them with Jim Crow laws.
    Yet if some political opponent said to Obama, "Get to the back of the bus where you belong, Coon-Ass", I would not be sympathetic if Obama pulled out a weapon and opened fire on that person (or on the entire Tea Party).
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Since I cannot put you on ignore, I have to tolerate them constantly.
    I believe your are confusing the words "tolerate" and "create" here.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post

    I wasn't sure on this due to it being an open channel and not knowing if these things can be clearly determined or not. But I admit to my ignorance on that kind of stuff.
    You may be correct to doubt

    Last week, the Israel Defence Force had to issue a retraction over an audio clip it had claimed was a conversation between Israeli naval officials and people on the Mavi Marmara, in which an activist told soldiers to "go back to Auschwitz". The clip was carried by Israeli and international press, but today the army released a "clarification/correction", explaining that it had edited the footage and that it was not clear who had made the comment.

    The Israeli army also backed down last week from an earlier claim that soldiers were attacked by al-Qaida "mercenaries" aboard the Gaza flotilla. An article appearing on the IDF spokesperson's website with the headline: "Attackers of the IDF soldiers found to be al-Qaida mercenaries", was later changed to "Attackers of the IDF Soldiers found without identification papers," with the information about al-Qaida removed from the main article. An army spokesperson told the Guardian there was no evidence proving such a link to the terror organisation.
    Israel forced to apologise for YouTube spoof of Gaza flotilla | World news | The Guardian
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