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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Or you could try telling the truth.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    how do we know it is the truth then, if they admitted to editing tapes, so I can never fully trust these tapes in question. Why not give the media the whole tape instead of what the IDF wants us too see as the full truth. Are the scared that it will damage their case of self defense

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    how do we know it is the truth then, if they admitted to editing tapes, so I can never fully trust these tapes in question. Why not give the media the whole tape instead of what the IDF wants us too see as the full truth. Are the scared that it will damage their case of self defense
    The uneditted tape was uploaded ages ago by the IDF, stop complaining about this already.
    If the IDF would have known that folks would complain about them removing blank listening time, they'd upload the uneditted version from the beginning.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The uneditted tape was uploaded ages ago by the IDF, stop complaining about this already.
    If the IDF would have known that folks would complain about them removing blank listening time, they'd upload the uneditted version from the beginning.

    So far, you've exhorted fellow forum members to "quit complaining", "quit debating" and "quit questioning".
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    So far, you've exhorted fellow forum members to "quit complaining", "quit debating" and "quit questioning".
    See, that's not the way it works, here in America.
    You have no authority here (or anywhere else, I'll wager).
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quit trying to derail productive discussion, or leave.
    We'll question the validity of this edited tape all we want.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Quit trying to derail productive discussion, or leave.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    how do we know it is the truth then, if they admitted to editing tapes, so I can never fully trust these tapes in question. Why not give the media the whole tape instead of what the IDF wants us too see as the full truth. Are the scared that it will damage their case of self defense
    They admitted to editing out blank air, they have, also, provided an unedited version.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Spare me the drama that you lack in your life.
    So basically, you will continue to impose your will on those who see it as meaningless and futile to do so and resist, and this thread will go nowhere for another few pages. Gotchya, just wanted to call it now.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-Semites. I am beginning to wonder if the Israeli military hired James O'Keefe to handle its press shop.

    This is the IDF's "clarification:"
    Yesterday evening on 4 June 2010, the IDF released an audio recording of a radio transmission between the Israeli Navy vessel and the Flotilla ships wherein unidentified flotilla passengers tell the Israeli Navy vessel to "shut up, go back to Auschwitz" and "we're helping Arabs go against the US, don't forget 9/11." There have been questions regarding the authenticity of the recording as well as its attribution to a communication with the Mavi Marmara.

    So to clarify: the audio was edited down to cut out periods of silence over the radio as well as incomprehensible comments so as to make it easier for people to listen to the exchange. We have now uploaded the entire segment of 5 minutes and 58 seconds in which the exchange took place and the comments were made.

    This transmission had originally cited the Mavi Marmara ship as being the source of these remarks, however, due to an open channel, the specific ship or ships in the "Freedom Flotilla" responding to the Israeli Navy could not be identified. During radio transmissions between Israeli Navy and the ships of the "Free Gaza" Flotilla on 31 May 2010, the Israeli Navy ship attempts to make contact with the 'Defne Y' on channel 1-6. Other ships from the flotilla respond on the channel, without identifying themselves. At some point during the radio exchange the Israeli Navy is told by one of the ships to "shut up, go back to Auschwitz" (2:05) and "don't forget 9-11? (5:42).
    It's nice that the IDF has "clarified" its doctoring of footage. But the new clip it has released that supposedly shows "the entire segment...in which the exchange took place and the comments were made" is highly suspect as well. Why? Because it contains an exchange with Huwaida Arraf that Arraf claims took place on an entirely different attempt to break the siege - Arraf has led previous aid boats to Gaza that were intercepted and hijacked by the IDF. Arraf told Ma'an News:
    You and 1069 are easily told what to think.

    Doctored the tapes is a blatant lie. They edited it to highlight a point. And since they released the full audio, it takes a serious lack of logical thought to conclude the tapes were"Doctored". I understand though, it's Israel, they're Jews.. it's okay to hate them.
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