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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Present evidence the Audio is faked, present it, and we can go from there. Otherwise... \
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    And how could someone prove that?

    We've already proven that it had been edited. I don't see how we could prove that it is a fake, just like you could not prove that it is authentic.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Great. I'm sure their supporters won't even care.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Great. I'm sure their supporters won't even care.
    Maybe because that's just not true, it's a biased source.
    The IDF has admitted that the tape is edited(was cut short), and has released an unedited version.
    I'll repeat Redress statement who has shown the most logical response in this thread so far: As long as you have no proof that the tape is doctored or not doctored, you should stop debating about its validity.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    And how could someone prove that?

    We've already proven that it had been edited. I don't see how we could prove that it is a fake, just like you could not prove that it is authentic.
    Then stop trying to prove either and carry on.
    I'll believe the tape since I know how the IDF operates, you can believe whatever you want.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Great. I'm sure their supporters won't even care.
    Ture know they addment that they doctored these tapes how are we supposed to beleive anything coming from them.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Great. I'm sure their supporters won't even care.
    Um they admitted to editing not doctoring it to make it appear that things were said that weren't said. The only evidence for that is the word of the flotilla people.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Your title is completely misleading, editing out blank air =/= doctoring the audio.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um they admitted to editing not doctoring it to make it appear that things were said that weren't said. The only evidence for that is the word of the flotilla people.
    And the only evidence against it is the word of the IDF, which is in a bit of PR hot water over this incident, and has every reason in the world to attempt to vilify the aid workers in the eyes of the international community and thereby make their own actions, which many disapprove of, seem more justifiable.

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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Then stop trying to prove either and carry on.
    I'll believe the tape since I know how the IDF operates, you can believe whatever you want.
    Israel has presented this as 'proof' has it not.

    What again has happened to the one recording which was released on the day saying just that they were going to Gaza. One explanation could be that Israel thought this would be sufficient for the world to accept that it was right to do what she did. When this proved not to be the case, more was needed. That is one possibility.

    When you listen to the full tape it just doesn't sound very plausible to me.

    For instance when the guy says in the 'full' version 'Shut up, go back ', it is said after a lengthy pause. Usually when someone says 'shut up' they are irritated and they say it immediately. The pause does not seem right.

    Secondly the one about 9/11 just sounds nuts and doesn't have any emotional quality that is appropriate to the situation.

    However on proof. Unfortunately the Israeli's have taken the Free Gaza recordings so they are unable to present them.

    The tapes may be genuine but they also may not. For that I think they are inadmissible evidence.
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    Re: Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    And the only evidence against it is the word of the IDF, which is in a bit of PR hot water over this incident, and has every reason in the world to attempt to vilify the aid workers in the eyes of the international community and thereby make their own actions, which many disapprove of, seem more justifiable.
    This is what we refer to as an ad-hominem logical fallacy. First of all there is much more evidence than this audio recording, the Flotilla was organized by the jihadist affiliated Islamist organization the IHH of Turkey, they owned and operated three of the ships involved including the one that attacked the weapons inspectors, we have three of the "activists" on record by Turkish newspapers stating their desire to become Shahid (martyrs), we have video/audio of the "activists" invoking battle cries against the Jews, we have close up video of one of the weapons inspectors being stabbed and another being beaten by metal pipes. Considering all of that I would suggest that the word of the IDF is far superior in this matter than that of the ringleader of the Jihadist flotilla.

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