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Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

1069 said:
I suppose the same could be said of the Native Americans and their European conquerors (some of whom also moved here to escape religious persecution in their native Europe)... if one were racist.

It has zero bearing on my statement and zero relevance to the discussion at hand, however.
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Ok, if you say so.
 
1069 said:
Then let them defend it themselves, without our blood and money, as all nations worth a damn eventually must.
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The money we give them is pitances when compared to our entire national budget, and isn't all that much more than we give to other countries (including the PLO). They've done fine without our blood so far. If nuclear war broke out (as it might if they had to defend themselves against all of their neighbors without help), that might change as we'd probably end up getting dragged into it whether we wanted to or not.
 
Dav said:
The money we give them is pitances when compared to our entire national budget, and isn't all that much more than we give to other countries (including the PLO). They've done fine without our blood so far. If nuclear war broke out (as it might if they had to defend themselves against all of their neighbors without help), that might change as we'd probably end up getting dragged into it whether we wanted to or not.
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If they've "done fine without our blood so far", why are we spilling it over there?
I believe we're at war with the middle eastern Islamics- and they're at war with us- because of our support of Israel. Over 5,000 US troops dead since 9-11.

The alternative- which would cost more in money in the short term, but would end the bloodshed all around and possibly stave off nuclear war- would be to assist Israel in relocating to a safer geographical location (such as in the US, or wherever else in the Western World they'd like to live).
 
jallman said:
Which has exactly ZERO to do with modern international law. I am not having a discussion of the Old Testament anywhere but the religion forum so get that through your thick skull.
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The Old Testament has the reason why the Jews are fighting so hard for their rightful homeland, now. You can dismiss it all you want and claim the Jews have no right to live in Israel, but if you can't backup your argument, say so.
 
bicycleman said:
The Old Testament has the reason why the Jews are fighting so hard for their rightful homeland, now. You can dismiss it all you want and claim the Jews have no right to live in Israel, but if you can't backup your argument, say so.
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If that's their only reason, then they have no right to be there.
I doubt it is, though.
Most Jews I've met aren't stupid. A lot of them are atheists/ secular humanists, and give the bible as much credence as I do.
 
1069 said:
If they've "done fine without our blood so far", why are we spilling it over there?
I believe we're at war with the middle eastern Islamics- and they're at war with us- because of our support of Israel. Over 5,000 US troops dead since 9-11.

The alternative- which would cost more in money in the short term, but would end the bloodshed all around and possibly stave off nuclear war- would be to assist Israel in relocating to a safer geographical location (such as in the US, or wherever else in the Western World they'd like to live).
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You have forgotten your history. The Jews have been despised the world over. Where would they go if they leave Israel? Would you let them live in your trailer park?
 
1069 said:
If that's their only reason, then they have no right to be there.
I doubt it is, though.
Most Jews I've met aren't stupid. A lot of them are atheists/ secular humanists, and give the bible as much credence as I do.
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With that, we agree.
 
There are so many Jews like gentiles who don't care about the Bible, or anything else, only their selfish lives.
 
bicycleman said:
You have forgotten your history. The Jews have been despised the world over. Where would they go if they leave Israel? Would you let them live in your trailer park?
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I'd help them as much as I could to feel safe (not that I believe they're in any real danger of persecution in this day and age, when we have numerous safeguards in place against religious persecution and civil rights violations... unless they insist on living in the Islamic-dominated middle east), up to and including sending my son to fight their damned battles for them.
I'd be willing to give some of what I have materially (I'm heir to over a thousand acres, some of it prime lakefront), if they didn't have anywhere else to live and insisted on a place where they could create an isolated enclave with other Jews.
I'd also like to somehow make restitution to the Native Americans, Mexicans, and American blacks, however, and that would probably take precedence to helping Jews, as I am more directly culpable for the plight of these others than i am for the plight of the Jews.
 
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1069 said:
Then let them defend it themselves, without our blood and money, as all nations worth a damn eventually must.
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Let an American president, and other governmental elected officials, be elected without the financial contributions from successful American Jews.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Let an American president, and other governmental elected officials, be elected without the financial contributions from successful American Jews.
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That'll be the day. :roll:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Let an American president, and other governmental elected officials, be elected without the financial contributions from successful American Jews.
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The Jews seem to flock toward Democrat Presidents, so American Jews may not be as smart as Israelis. Israel sees Obama for what he is, an anti-semite, but why don't American Jews see him or the rest of the Democratic Party for their anti-semitism?
 
bicycleman said:
The Jews seem to flock toward Democrat Presidents, so American Jews may not be as smart as Israelis.
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A lot of them are one in the same, and travel back and forth between homes in Israel and the US.
My husband's ex-boss was like that, and most of his friends, with whom we were casually acquainted.
His wife and children (he was divorced) remained in Israel full time, though.
 
1069 said:
That'll be the day. :roll:
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How terrible. Influential Jews. They worked their butts off, paid their dues, all without an affirmative action program at that. They busted their tuchases off, educated their children, and made good in America, the old fashioned way. How uppity for them to have influence in American politics!
 
MyOwnDrum said:
How terrible. Influential Jews. They worked their butts off, paid their dues, all without an affirmative action program at that. They busted their tuchases off, educated their children, and made good in America, the old fashioned way. How uppity for them to have influence in American politics!
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They can completely run American politics, for all I care.
They're just regular white guys, as far as I'm concerned, and white guys have run everything since time immemorial.
They're usually pretty liberal, so I tend to like them being influential in politics and social issues.
I'm glad, for instance, that there are more Jews than Protestants on the Supreme Court.

Should they be influencing our foreign policy with "campaign donations", which you stated they are doing, however?
That doesn't seem right.
If a bunch of wealthy American Islamics contributed money to politicians' campaigns, would we support Palestine and nuke Israel?
I'd like to think politicians are able to think for themselves, not just whore themselves out to the highest bidder. If that's the case, nobody anywhere is safe, including the jews.
 
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1069 said:
They can completely run American politics, for all I care.
They're just regular white guys, as far as I'm concerned, and white guys have run everything since time immemorial.
They're usually pretty liberal, so I tend to like them being influential in politics and social issues.
I'm glad, for instance, that there are more Jews than Protestants on the Supreme Court.

Should they be influencing our foreign policy with "campaign donations", which you stated they are doing, however?
That doesn't seem right.
If a bunch of wealthy American Islamics contributed money to politicians' campaigns, would we support Palestine and nuke Israel?
I'd like to think politicians are able to think for themselves, not just whore themselves out to the highest bidder. If that's the case, nobody anywhere is safe, including the jews.
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I thought you were a professional writer?
 
MyOwnDrum said:
I thought you were a professional writer?
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Well, I'm a published writer.
I publish pretty regularly, in fact, especially here lately. Short fiction.
But I'm not "professional" in the sense that I make a living at it.
The amount of money I've made off my writing is negligible.
I work full time at another occupation.
 
jallman said:
I'm not anti-Israel, per se. But I am certainly not pro-Israel. Basically, I don't think Israel should get the pass it gets for all manner of human rights violations that, if committed by any other country, would bring down the scorn of the international community.

Basically, I think Israel is just as much at fault for the Palestine conflict as anyone else.
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Excuse me, Israel gets a pass? on what? they are constantly being condemned by the UN and international community for defending themselfs and being proactive about their security. They are surronded by enemies that want them driven into the Mediterranean.
 
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SgtRock said:
Excuse me, Israel gets a pass? on what? they are constantly being condemned by the UN and international community for defending themselfs and being proactive about their security. They are surronded by enemies that want them driven into the Mediterranean.
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Well then, maybe they should move their "homeland" to somewhere safer.
Such as... any place else in the entire world.
 
1069 said:
Well then, maybe they should move their "homeland" to somewhere safer.
Such as... any place else in the entire world.
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At one point, the early Zionists considered Uganda. I get the feeling that that might have been less safe than even Palestine was. They got that feeling too, which is why they decided against it.
 
Dav said:
At one point, the early Zionists considered Uganda. I get the feeling that that might have been less safe than even Palestine was. They got that feeling too, which is why they decided against it.
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Perhaps I should've said, any place in the developed world, the civilized world, where they wouldn't be living like a privileged little superpower among stone-agers living in mud huts.

Is that too much to ask?
Do they get off on living in a big shiny ostentatious art-deco high rise in the middle of a ghetto?
Are they really surprised when their presence incurs resentment?

like i said, I only wish they'd relocate their homeland to somewhere in the civilized world- anywhere.
It would be easier for us to protect them then; in fact, I suspect that such a move would render our protection and assistance entirely unnecessary.
And all this bloodshed on every side could cease.
 
1069 said:
Perhaps I should've said, any place in the developed world, the civilized world, where they wouldn't be living like a privileged little superpower among stone-agers living in mud huts.

Is that too much to ask?
Do they get off on living in a big shiny ostentatious art-deco high rise in the middle of a ghetto?

Are they really surprised when their presence incurs resentment?


like i said, I only wish they'd relocate their homeland to somewhere in the civilized world- anywhere.
It would be easier for us to protect them then; in fact, I suspect that such a move would render our protection and assistance entirely unnecessary.
And all this bloodshed on every side could cease.
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I know a way the bloodshed would actually cease, all Muslims must immediately vacate the lands stolen through imperialist conquest, ethnic cleansing, mass extermination, and cultural genocide from North West Africa to West India IE Pakistan. End the occupation of Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, and Buddhist lands engaged in by some of the most oppressive regimes this world has ever seen. Your solution to ending the Islamic Imperialistic campaign of mass murder which they have been waging since Mohammad is to simply get out of their way. Well thanks but no thanks.
 
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1069 said:
Well then, maybe they should move their "homeland" to somewhere safer.
Such as... any place else in the entire world.
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As soon as the Muslims end their occupation from North West Africa to Western India (Pakistan) we can talk about relocating the Jews, how about that?
 
1069 said:
A lot of them are one in the same, and travel back and forth between homes in Israel and the US.
My husband's ex-boss was like that, and most of his friends, with whom we were casually acquainted.
His wife and children (he was divorced) remained in Israel full time, though.
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That's very true. I ran into a fellow in one of my computer classes, who did just that. In fact, he stayed in touch via video teleconferencing, which a few years back was rather jerky, but it was better than nothing. Yet, he was a staunch Clinton supporter, and we argued constantly. I lost contact with him. I wonder what he thinks now, in view of Obama's and Pelosi's recent comments and/or actions?
 
Agent Ferris said:
I know a way the bloodshed would actually cease, all Muslims must immediately vacate the lands stolen through imperialist conquest, ethnic cleansing, mass extermination, and cultural genocide from North West Africa to West India IE Pakistan. End the occupation of Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, and Buddhist lands engaged in by some of the most oppressive regimes this world has ever seen. Your solution to ending the Islamic Imperialistic campaign of mass murder which they have been waging since Mohammad is to simply get out of their way. Well thanks but no thanks.
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Well hell why not convert Europe back to the old gods of the earliest tribes we know of, give the US back to the indians, and return back to a primordial religious and ethnic state and call it even. Or we could possibly look at where our own arguments lead before making them and not waste our time with such silliness.

As far as I'm concerned there is no good or bad in the Israel Palestinian problem. It was the expected result just as if we had placed a bunch of well off white europeans in the middle of any other ethnic territory. If we take time to not neglect what we may already believe for ourselves when we take geopolitics into perspective, naturally, why do we even question why the existence of israel is offensive to arabs.
 
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