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Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

Oh yeah,...

I don't know about you,... but She makes me moist.

Someone says something mean/hateful/stupid and the conservatives and libertarians eat it up???
Did I ever say that we need better people here in our nation?
 
More likely because, on a regular basis, Israel forgot that an "eye for an eye" doesn't mean "116 eyes for an eye"

Israel has many, even eons to go before it can ever be 116 eyes. And I feel that if Israel pursues this course, without an attitude change, they will be no more....hope I am wrong....
As far as the "rest of the world" not liking the Jews, this is a reflection of the rest of the world..
We need better people.
 
The only difference with the WWII is that the goal of Israel/Palestinians is not to destroy each others, it is to reach an acceptable peace and live as good neighbors.
That was also the goal in WW II. We now live in peace with germany because they surrendered. The Arab/Israeli War has been going on for over 60 years because the losers still haven't surrendered.
 
I do not contest the necessity of a reaction from Israel.
I do not contest that Israel did everything that was possible to avoid civilian casualties, both during the raid on Gaza and during the raid on the flotilla
Whether you realize it or not, you just agreed that Israel's actions were proportionate according to the definition that you posted.
 
I'm curious - -how does one react "proportionately" to those who have vowed genocide against you in their very charter?

What do you think a proportional response for words is?
 
Well then there is a misunderstanding.

Contrary to what you seem to believe (maybe because some European governments seemed to say it was "not proportional" because there were 9 killed on one side and 0 on the other) proportionality is not related with any kind of ratio (well...not in law at least)
For example, if there is a huge threat and that the only way to avoid a danger is to take extreme measures (such as slaughtering millions of animals during the "mad cow" or the swine flu crisises) it is "proportional".

It was proportional to kill and cremate millions of chickens to avoid further contamination and possible human deaths.

Proportionality is not a ratio, it is (roughly) the 3 criters I have mentioned. You can trust me, I have studied that in Constitutional Law 3 years ago (if you can search in the archives you should be able to find a very old thread where I was already saying the same)

Even with the criteria you are mentioning, bub, you are discussing ratios. Look at what you did above: "huge threat" "take extreme measures". You are STILL looking at ratios, bub.
 
It would be better than replying to Katusha rockets with aerial bombing and demolition of houses, yes.

Sounds like you are getting numerically proportional, bub. In some cases, aerial bombing and the demolition of houses may be the approrpriate response.
 
The only difference with the WWII is that the goal of Israel/Palestinians is not to destroy each others, it is to reach an acceptable peace and live as good neighbors.

That might be Israel's goal, but the actions of the Palestinians and their support of Hamas indicate that this is clearly not the case as far as they are concerned.

Sounds like you are getting numerically proportional, bub. In some cases, aerial bombing and the demolition of houses may be the approrpriate response.

If the rest of the world would let Israel fight this war, without demanding they do so with one hand tied behind their back, it wouldn't take another sixty years before it was ended.
 
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It's true that there is no call for genocide in the Likkud Charter


Neither does the Likkud Charter



I said "would accept the existence". Read the 2nd link, they say they would not "explicitely recognise Israel", but that they would still accept it.

Remember bub. The key word you are using is "would" not "does". Does Hamas CURRENTLY recognize Israel?

All of your Likud Charter stuff is a red herring. Tell me, is the Likud Charter the law of the land?
 
More likely because, on a regular basis, Israel forgot that an "eye for an eye" doesn't mean "116 eyes for an eye"

Which is sometimes the appropriate response, since numbers in proportionality are meaningless. Context is required.
 
It's not "the Pals" attacking Israel. It's militant groups within their population. You just betrayed an extreme ignorance of the situation and exposed how your position is one of emotional knee-jerking.

I suppose then, it would be a good idea for the population to do as much as they can to eliminate these militant groups. That might mean altering their government, since one of these groups is in charge.
 
Someone says something mean/hateful/stupid and the conservatives and libertarians eat it up???
Did I ever say that we need better people here in our nation?

I have no clue why you have this addressed to me.

The bitch is whacked,... I'm jest sayin.
 
Perhaps the Pals should get the message and stop attacking Israel.

"The objective of any war is to do more damage, in less time, than your enemy" --General George S. Patton Jr.

"If at first you don't succeed, kill more people and see if that works" -NoJingoLingo
 
I don't see why everyone's getting so ****ing bent out of shape about what Helen Thomas said. For **** sake why does it offend some of you so much? Jesus she's like 3000 years old and probably going senile does it at all surprise you?

But anyway, as usual the same people who tell minorities to shut up when they get offended by something, cry and wail and grind their teeth when someone insults something that they themselves aren't.
 
Don Imus isn't a politician, either, but we saw Liberals get allllllll involved in that brew-ha-ha. We hear Liberals crying, "racism", all the time when talking about Rush and Glenn Beck and neither of them have said anything near this racial.

I guess the real question is: what should expect from Liberals, at all? Anything?

So liberals had nothing to do with the Imus thing... speaking of Rush and Beck... when was the last time you spoke out against some racist **** they puked? :waiting:
 
Israel has many, even eons to go before it can ever be 116 eyes. And I feel that if Israel pursues this course, without an attitude change, they will be no more....hope I am wrong....
As far as the "rest of the world" not liking the Jews, this is a reflection of the rest of the world..
We need better people.
Perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying... 116 eyes = 232 people. I think the jews have killed many more than 232 Palestinians.
 
I don't see why everyone's getting so ****ing bent out of shape about what Helen Thomas said. For **** sake why does it offend some of you so much? Jesus she's like 3000 years old and probably going senile does it at all surprise you?

But anyway, as usual the same people who tell minorities to shut up when they get offended by something, cry and wail and grind their teeth when someone insults something that they themselves aren't.
Because the original post claims that libs put her on a pedistal, that way the cons can bitch that libs aren't dragging her through the streets behind a prius...
 
:shock: Me thinks the old timer is losing her marbles. Maybe it's about that time to start thinking of retiring.
Her face looks like an ugly Halloween witch's mask. She could always model for the wicked witch of the west.
 
Her face looks like an ugly Halloween witch's mask. She could always model for the wicked witch of the west.

It's clear from this recent photo that Hellen will be sorely missed by the O'Bummers.

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Perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying... 116 eyes = 232 people. I think the jews have killed many more than 232 Palestinians.


Hope you had better luck in English class than you did in Anatomy.... ;)


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