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Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Heck, given the current anti-Isreal climate of the administration, Anti-semetism is back in vogue? :ssst:
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Antisemitism has been in vogue for some time, now. It's tres fashionable, but be forewarned -- pointing out antisemitism is viewed by most as a crime much bigger than any Jew hatred ever could be.
 
bub said:
Does that give them special rights?
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It gives them the right not to be compelled to walk into the ovens ever again.
If they need to prove to the world on a continued basis that this is what they believe is necessary in order to be left to develop in peace then so be it.
 
jujuman13 said:
It gives them the right not to be compelled to walk into the ovens ever again.
If they need to prove to the world on a continued basis that this is what they believe is necessary in order to be left to develop in peace then so be it.
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I hate Hitler with a passion, and I still don't support anyone in this war I think both of them are doing stuff wrong.

You Know what I also think that we should also give that power to gays, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies, and the Disabled, a lot of them were killed because of their political beliefs, and or were killed because they didn't fit the idea that Hitler thought weren't pure blond hair blue eyed Aryans. The Holocaust. People who only think the Jewish people died in the Holocaust is ill informed in the matter, and is down right a disgrace to the many people who died along side the Jewish people, because of what that racist ass did in the first place... .


I just hate when people down play other people that died along side the Jewish people, because of Hitlers racist hatred for people that didn't fit hit idea of a pure Aryan. Which, if I had been born during that time I would be considered what he thought was unfit to live, because of my disability.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I'd love to know where the conservative hyperbole that liberals worship Helen Thomas comes from? Perhaps someone should take a poll and find out which liberals here at DP worship Helen Thomas. I think it would probably be a pretty good cross section of folks. Oh... but that would probably end up dismissing some of the right's partisan hackery in this thread. Oh darn. :roll:
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What does it matter if the left or right like her, the statement was incredible.

Perhaps the question should be should she keep her white house credentials. I would like Gibbs to talk to that one.
 
washunut said:
What does it matter if the left or right like her, the statement was incredible.

Perhaps the question should be should she keep her white house credentials. I would like Gibbs to talk to that one.
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Of course her statment was idiotic. My point is addressing the liberal bashing overgeneralizations.
 
washunut said:
What does it matter if the left or right like her, the statement was incredible.

Perhaps the question should be should she keep her white house credentials. I would like Gibbs to talk to that one.
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Aggred, I don't think she should keep her credentials, since I think she an old bat who needs to go.
 
apdst said:
She'll get a pass. Liberal excitement over racism, homophobia and anti-semetism is only for political ammo. They don't really care. It'll be like when Dan Rather made the, "selling watermelon's", comment a while back.
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if ms thomas is not duly dispatched to her deserved dustbin without delay we will all be able to draw some pretty undeniable deductions
 
Redress said:
I always find it odd how if you say any other country did something wrong, it's acceptable, but when you say that Israel might have acted in a less than ideal manor, you are anti-Israel and anti-Jew.
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Not true, of course. If you use anti-Israel and anti-Jew rhetoric, you are anti-Israel and/or anti-Jew.

Helen Thomas, for example....
 
Redress said:
Just because Arab nations do things which are to my mind wrong, does not mean Israel should get a free pass because in some areas it is, unarguably, better. When some one points out a problem in something Israel does, the constant "well, soandso is worse" is simple excuse making, and entirely irrelevant.
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Nobody is saying Israel should get a free pass, they are just saying that it hasn't done the things that some are accusing it of having done.
 
Deuce said:
On the flip side, some people want to kick out the Mexicans and keep the Israelis in Gaza. Weird.
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No, some people want to kick out the illegal immigrant Mexicans. And the Israelis aren't in Gaza at the moment.
 
Simply put: that was awful and shame on her.
 
Dav said:
Nobody is saying Israel should get a free pass, they are just saying that it hasn't done the things that some are accusing it of having done.
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Dav, I have been told I am anti-Israel this week(and a terrorist puppet) because I have not rushed to judge the facts, and as they come out, I have said I think Israel could have handled the situation better. This despite the fact that I have agreed that Israel did have to intercept the ships, and almost surely was in the legal right in what they did. Still, I am anti-Israel, still, I am a puppet and supporter of terrorism.
 
Redress said:
Dav, I have been told I am anti-Israel this week(and a terrorist puppet) because I have not rushed to judge the facts, and as they come out, I have said I think Israel could have handled the situation better. This despite the fact that I have agreed that Israel did have to intercept the ships, and almost surely was in the legal right in what they did. Still, I am anti-Israel, still, I am a puppet and supporter of terrorism.
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I won't disagree that there are crazies on both sides. But they don't speak for anyone but themselves.
 
Dav said:
I won't disagree that there are crazies on both sides. But they don't speak for anyone but themselves.
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This is true and I wish more people understood it.

Edit: and has any one yet commented on the fact that the vast majority of Jews in Israel where born in Israel? Going to Germany would not be "going back", it would be going away.
 
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She is slipping.
 
washunut said:
You must be against the U.S. killing many more civilians in Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan in probably a month than the out of control Israelies.
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That's the funny point there.
All of those pretty souls that are telling you Israel should be more proportionate in its response to the massive rocket launchings at its civilians would be up in arms if you'd tell them that the US acts far worse in terms of proportionality.
It just provides a basis for that which is already known to us, the anti-Israeli camp is not motivated by actual logic and rational arguments, but with pure hatred.
Any other nation doing what Israel does and it'd be seen as a clear act of self-defense, and rightfully so.

When facts are showing that Israel has clearly done nothing wrong, and yet the entire world and its crippled sister are all out condemning Israel and pretending it to be the world's source of evil, for killing 9 people who's only sin was that they've tried to lynch and murder Israeli soldiers, it points at nothing but the absurdness of the international community.
 
As to the thread's topic; hopefully that ugly piece of crap would get ran over by a truck mistaking her for a ****ing speed bump.
 
Redress said:
This is true and I wish more people understood it.

Edit: and has any one yet commented on the fact that the vast majority of Jews in Israel where born in Israel? Going to Germany would not be "going back", it would be going away.
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I don't think there's much left from the German Jewish community anyway, so I can't see where's the group of people that this ugly talking head is sending back to Germany.
 
jallman said:
Exactly. I think that the pro-Israel side of the on-going discussion has done a very good job of clinging to and amplifying the victimhood of the Jewish people in history and tying that to Israel as a nation. And it has been done in such a way as to invoke anti-Semitism sentiments as a condemnation for even thinking to question Israel let alone criticize it.

Frankly, at this point, the questions of historical victimization of the Jewish people and of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are separate issues, entirely. They have nothing to do with each other.
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Israel is a liberal democracy, I'm not anymore pro-Israel than I am pro-French, pro-U.K., or pro-Sweden, but I'm sure as hell pro-Liberalism and I definitely am anti-Islamist. So ya when faced with a liberal democracy suffering from terrorism conducted by a people who voted for a genocidal Islamist organization to lead them and you're not picking one side over the other then I have to question what the hell you're thinking.
 
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bub said:
That's exactly the message of the host: "you're an Arab in Israel, so be glad that we allow you to be here. Now don't make too much noise or we'll deport you"

You're absolutely right when you state that there are no Jews or Christians in Arab Parliaments (well, except the defence minister of Saddam Hussein, who was Christian) but no one pretends that these Arab countries are democracies.
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So Israel is just pretending to be a democracy now?
 
bub said:
No one says that Israel does not have the right to defend itself, people say that it should be done with proportionality

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One more problem is that, as several posters have said in this thread, criticism of Israel is too often dismissed as "anti-semitism". When people say that Belgian para-commandos should not have tortured a Somali kid on 1993 or that the same soldiers should have done something about the Rwandan genocide in 1994, or that there is a serious democratic deficit when all the Walloon parties team up, no one says that it is "anti-Belgianism".
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You know where you can stick your little pie charts? The only reason why more Israelis haven't been killed by the tens of thousands of high explosive rockets fired into densly populated Israeli civilian sectors is because Israeli building codes require bomb shelters or at least one fortified room. Let me come into your ****ing neighbor and fire thousands of rockets at you and then talk to me about proportionality. Israel has been more than restrained in its responses to indiscriminate and brutal attacks against its civilian population, they drop leaflets warning of incoming attacks, they use precision weapons, etc, it's not Israel's fault that Hamas intentionally stations itself around civilians, fires from civilian positions into civilian positions, and uses women and children (including babies) as human shields.
 
Read this thread in order to find out what the problem in the ME is. You've got people with absolutist positions from each side doing nothing but making overgeneralized accusations at the other side.
 
I don't think people understand what the amount of dead Israelis would be if Israel wasn't investing billions of dollars in offering security to its people against those rockets.
Alarms that go on minutes before a rocket hits, shelters in every building, anti-rockets defense systems, and far more.
 
bub said:
Do you not think that there is a great disproportion when 465 people are killed on one side and 4 on the other side?
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No because Hamas was not trying to kill 4 people, they were trying to kill as many as they could, once again the only reason why many many more Israeli civilians aren't killed is because Israeli building codes require a bomb shelter or at least one fortified room within dwellings in range of Hamas rockets. Hamas fires thousands upon thousands of rockets into densly populated civilian sectors, if these rockets had been fired into neighborhoods like yours and mine hundreds of people would be killed. Another reason why more Palestinians are killed is because Hamas uses human shields, fires into civilian sectors from civilian sectors, does not wear uniforms, etc etc.

When basic goods (such as chocolate or coffee) are banned, for no other reason than to punish civilians?
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They denied chocolate and coffee to a people who voted for an organization which calls for the extermination of world jewry in their charter? Say it isn't so. :roll:
 
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