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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    She's not a politician (nor was Dan Rather) so what do you expect to be done by "liberals"? Seems like there is a fair amount of outrage over it... but of course, you need to blame liberals because she hasn't been lined up against a wall and shot.
    Don Imus isn't a politician, either, but we saw Liberals get allllllll involved in that brew-ha-ha. We hear Liberals crying, "racism", all the time when talking about Rush and Glenn Beck and neither of them have said anything near this racial.

    I guess the real question is: what should expect from Liberals, at all? Anything?
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Perhaps the Pals should get the message and stop attacking Israel.

    "The objective of any war is to do more damage, in less time, than your enemy" --General George S. Patton Jr.
    It's not "the Pals" attacking Israel. It's militant groups within their population. You just betrayed an extreme ignorance of the situation and exposed how your position is one of emotional knee-jerking.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That's a far different definition of proportionality than comparing civilian deaths on each side of the border. The necessity of the operation isn't debatable unless you think it's ok for rockets to be falling on you. That leads to the issue of efficiency. By that definition of efficiency, Hamas was in control of that because they were using human shields. We don't know if it was an efficient mission or not because the #s are disputed, but it may've been extremely efficient. Israel not only had high tech weapons, they bent over backwards to warn civilians about their war plans. They sacrificed the element of surprise by doing so. If if there was inefficiency, very little of it should be blamed on Israel.

    I do not contest the necessity of a reaction from Israel.
    I do not contest that Israel did everything that was possible to avoid civilian casualties, both during the raid on Gaza and during the raid on the flotilla.

    However, I think that the anticipated civilian damage (even if Israel warned the civilians, it is predictable that there will be numerous civilian casualties if you bomb a city) was superior to the anticipated military advantage (it was predictable that bombing Gaza won't defeat the Hamas, it won't bring peace, it won't prevent more rocket launches: Israel had bombed Lebanon a few years before and knew that the bombings had not solved anything, they had not destroyed the Hezbollah or brought a lasting peace).

    As for the raid on the flotilla, I agree that the anticipated civilian damage was extremely low (Israel did not expect that the guys on the ships would react so violently, it was not predictable that they would start stabbing the soldiers) but the anticipated military advantage (preventing arms to be smuggled into Gaza) was also very low (I understand the security concerns of Israel but the guys on the ships, even if they obviously wanted to create an incident in order to make Israel look evil, were not stupid enough to actually transport rockets or guns)

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    IMHO, revenge is barbaric. The expression "an eye for an eye" makes my skin crawl. Maybe that's why it's a war crime.
    And I agree with you

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's not "the Pals" attacking Israel. It's militant groups within their population. You just betrayed an extreme ignorance of the situation and exposed how your position is one of emotional knee-jerking.
    Militant groups which act as their leaders. Which are (in many cases) elected democratically by the population. So to say that Palestinians are attacking Israel is just as accurate as saying that Israel attacks back.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's not "the Pals" attacking Israel. It's militant groups within their population. You just betrayed an extreme ignorance of the situation and exposed how your position is one of emotional knee-jerking.
    Specifically, the militant group that the Palestinian people elected to run their government. So, yes, it's, "The Pals", that are attacking Israel. Just like it was Germany that attacked Poland, Italy that attacked Ethiopia, Vietnam that attacked Cambodia and The Soviet Union that Attacked Afghanistan.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "The objective of any war is to do more damage, in less time, than your enemy" --General George S. Patton Jr.
    The only difference with the WWII is that the goal of Israel/Palestinians is not to destroy each others, it is to reach an acceptable peace and live as good neighbors.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Shouldn't we return to the topic of this thread and tell that ugly piece of anti-Semitic **** to go and set herself on fire?

    Just sayin'.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The only difference with the WWII is that the goal of Israel/Palestinians is not to destroy each others, it is to reach an acceptable peace and live as good neighbors.

    That's the case with the Israelis, but the Pals are hell bent to destroy Israel.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Shouldn't we return to the topic of this thread and tell that ugly piece of anti-Semitic **** to go and set herself on fire?

    Just sayin'.

    She should be lynched.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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