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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That it's being spouted here is bad enough, but I don't know if you've been to Europe lately -- some of the antisemitism has gotten truly scary again.
    Like when the French have elected a half Jewish president?

    Seriously, why do you say there is a "scary level of antisemitism"? Have you travelled in Europe recently?

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    Like when the French have elected a half Jewish president?

    Seriously, why do you say there is a "scary level of antisemitism"? Have you travelled in Europe recently?
    Would I have said that if I didn't?

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Would I have said that if I didn't?
    And what makes you say that there is a scary level of antisemitism?

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    And what makes you say that there is a scary level of antisemitism?
    Glad you asked.

    I'm liberal (around 60-70% of my beliefs can be called liberal) so it's not surprising that I often find myself keeping liberal company, here in the United States and with the friends I've made abroad, in particular, several European countries such as Italy, Germany, and the U.K. (yeah, I know, that's not Europe). In the U.S. any conversations that begin on the topic of the Israeli/Palestinian issue nets me, at worst, some sarcasm and contemptuous looks. When I talk to my European friends about it the hostility that came from them was such that I sometimes wondered if I was actually safe.

    If one believes that Israel is the aggressor in this situation, no different than South Africa during Apartheid, then one is going to be rather open about that, and believe me the "coffee talk" in Europe runs very much along those lines, like Europe in the end of the 19th century/ beginning of the 20th century regarding the Jews.

    Have to cut this short. Gotta run.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It's still a basic concept that is used in every legal system.

    For example, let's say that you steal underwears in a shop. Do you think it would be fair if it gave the right to the shopkeeper to behead you?
    You're talking about the severity of punishment, but this isn't about punishment, it's about prevention.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Glad you asked.

    I'm liberal (around 60-70% of my beliefs can be called liberal) so it's not surprising that I often find myself keeping liberal company, here in the United States and with the friends I've made abroad, in particular, several European countries such as Italy, Germany, and the U.K. (yeah, I know, that's not Europe). In the U.S. any conversations that begin on the topic of the Israeli/Palestinian issue nets me, at worst, some sarcasm and contemptuous looks. When I talk to my European friends about it the hostility that came from them was such that I sometimes wondered if I was actually safe.

    If one believes that Israel is the aggressor in this situation, no different than South Africa during Apartheid, then one is going to be rather open about that, and believe me the "coffee talk" in Europe runs very much along those lines, like Europe in the end of the 19th century/ beginning of the 20th century regarding the Jews.

    Have to cut this short. Gotta run.
    Well the reporter who told that Jews should go back to Germany was not European.

    But I get your point, I think there is a big difference between the opinions of most Europeans and most Americans on this conflict. It looks like most Americans (from my experience on this forum) would rather support Israel (and give a lot of weight to the right of Israel to defend itself), while more Europeans (from my experience in real life) would side with Palestinians (because they give more weight to the situation of Palestinians in Gaza). For example, I'm not left wing and neither are my friends, yet many of them like Noam Chomsky (who is American btw), while this guy seems to be considered as an extreme-left joke by most Americans on this forum.

    However, it's quite exagerated to compare the situation with the violent antisemitism that existed in most of Europe until the 40's. People may look very radical about the "settlements" or the "security fence", but I don't think I know anyone who is antisemite (= one that would consider that Jews are somewhat inferior or different) or who wants Israel to disappear.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The same proof Leftists have when they say that the Arizona illegal immigration law is racist.
    You don't have to bob 'n' weave for him, he will certainly perform his own gymnastics to avoid the question.
    The Proof of the Arizona law being racist is... the Arizona law. I know that you will deny that ONLY people who look Mexican will be asked about their legal status so don't bother.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You don't have to bob 'n' weave for him, he will certainly perform his own gymnastics to avoid the question.
    The Proof of the Arizona law being racist is... the Arizona law. I know that you will deny that ONLY people who look Mexican will be asked about their legal status so don't bother.
    I guess that makes all traffic laws, racist. I get asked for my, "papers", everytime I get stopped. It's just commons sense, that if a motorist doesn't have proof of insurance, a driver's license, a green card and can't speak English, that that person must be an illegal alien.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Good!

    According to international courts, that's proportionality

    (a) the anticipated civilian damage or injury;
    (b) the anticipated military advantage;
    (c) and whether (a) was "clearly excessive" in relation to (b).


    Things that should enter into account are the "efficiency" of a measure, and also its "necessity".
    That's a far different definition of proportionality than comparing civilian deaths on each side of the border. The necessity of the operation isn't debatable unless you think it's ok for rockets to be falling on you. That leads to the issue of efficiency. By that definition of efficiency, Hamas was in control of that because they were using human shields. We don't know if it was an efficient mission or not because the #s are disputed, but it may've been extremely efficient. Israel not only had high tech weapons, they bent over backwards to warn civilians about their war plans. They sacrificed the element of surprise by doing so. If if there was inefficiency, very little of it should be blamed on Israel.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It would be better than replying to Katusha rockets with aerial bombing and demolition of houses, yes.
    What you're proposing is a war crime.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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