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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    Neither the Likud charter nor the Likud members themselves promote the genocide of the Palestinians, that's pure propaganda you're promoting here and your claim is absolutely not fitting the standards of human logic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Obviously not, for despite the fact I do not support the Likud's obectives, I am intelligent enough to realize there is no genocidal language inherent in such statements.
    Well the correct answer was that charters are just charters. The Likkud does not want to establish the borders of Israel along the Jordan river and will accept the creation of a Palestinian state. Likewise, the Hamas would accept the existence of Israel along the 1967 borders

    Mousa Abu Marzook, the deputy of the political bureau of Hamas, in 2007 described the charter as "an essentially revolutionary document born of the intolerable conditions under occupation" in 1988. Senior British diplomat and former British ambassador to the UN Sir Jeremy Greenstock stated in early 2009 that the Hamas charter was "drawn up by a Hamas-linked imam some [twenty] years ago and has never been adopted since Hamas was elected as the Palestinian government in 2006". Greenstock also stated that Hamas is not intent on the destruction of Israel
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    Hamas said today it would accept a Palestinian state on land occupied in the 1967 war, but it would not explicitly recognise Israel.
    We can accept Israel as neighbour, says Hamas | World news | guardian.co.uk

    The Hamas movement is ready to recognize agreements signed with Israel, and in fact recognize Israel, but only within the '67 borders, senior Hamas member Khaled Suleiman said Wednesday.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    Well the correct answer was that charters are just charters. The Likkud does not want to establish the borders of Israel along the Jordan river and will accept the creation of a Palestinian state. Likewise, the Hamas would accept the existence of Israel along the 1967 borders



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    We can accept Israel as neighbour, says Hamas | World news | guardian.co.uk



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    or you can try honesty.........
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    Well the correct answer was that charters are just charters. The Likkud does not want to establish the borders of Israel along the Jordan river and will accept the creation of a Palestinian state. Likewise, the Hamas would accept the existence of Israel along the 1967 borders



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    First of all you've just stated that the Likud charter promotes the Palestinian genocide.
    That's crazy talk, one you could hear from folks like Chavez and Ahmedinejad, not rational people.

    Secondly, Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist.
    You've posted a report where they said that Hamas is ready to recognize Israel's right to exist, but you haven't posted the statement from Hamas coming only a short time after, stating that the reports are false.

    Hamas on Thursday denied a report in an Israeli newspaper that the Resistance Movement is ready to accept Israel's right to exist. The JPost added that Dr. Aziz Dwaik, Hamas' senior representative in the West Bank and speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, stated also that Hamas is ready to nullify its charter calling for the destruction of Israel.
    Hamas denies report on readiness to accept Israel's right to exist | Al Bawaba
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    First of all you've just stated that the Likud charter promotes the Palestinian genocide.
    That's crazy talk, one you could hear from folks like Chavez and Ahmedinejad, not rational people
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    It's true that there is no call for genocide in the Likkud Charter
    Secondly, Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist.
    Neither does the Likkud Charter

    You've posted a report where they said that Hamas is ready to recognize Israel's right to exist, but you haven't posted the statement from Hamas coming only a short time after, stating that the reports are false.

    Hamas denies report on readiness to accept Israel's right to exist | Al Bawaba
    I said "would accept the existence". Read the 2nd link, they say they would not "explicitely recognise Israel", but that they would still accept it.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    or you can try honesty.........
    What do you think about the Likkud Charter?

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She'll get a pass. Liberal excitement over racism, homophobia and anti-semetism is only for political ammo. They don't really care. It'll be like when Dan Rather made the, "selling watermelon's", comment a while back.
    Am guessing that Helen will be fine. She is old and kinda goofy and this is a good time for her to "move off the front row". Which i suspect will happen. Not a lot of value in pummeling or berating her at this point.

    Had almost forgot about Rather and the "watermelon" comment. That one lasted on the news cycle for about 90 seconds (mebbe less ) Would have been a riot to have a heart monitor on Chris Mathews as Rather was babbling those words. The voice in Mathews head had to be screaming, "Cut to commercial!!, Cut to ****ing commercial....!!!!!"

    Classic.




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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    It's true that there is no call for genocide in the Likkud Charter
    Finally.
    Neither does the Likkud Charter
    The likud charter doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist..?
    I think you've meant to "Palestine", but unlike Israel Palestine is not existing yet.
    You mean to say that the Likud's charter disagrees with the establishment of a Palestinian state between the Jordan river and the Mediterian sea, and that is true as to the time of the 15th Knesset, which is where your source is from.
    Can you give a source from present time, since I believe that Netanyahu has changed his opinion and has accepted a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterian sea since then.
    I said "would accept the existence". Read the 2nd link, they say they would not "explicitely accept Israel", but that they would still accept it.
    And then you need to read my link where they deny saying that.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    What do you think about the Likkud Charter?
    I don't support it.

    What does that have to do with your trying to claim it is genocidal?
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post

    You mean to say that the Likud's charter disagrees with the establishment of a Palestinian state between the Jordan river and the Mediterian sea, and that is true as to the time of the 15th Knesset, which is where your source is from.
    Can you give a source from present time, since I believe that Netanyahu has changed his opinion and has accepted a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterian sea since then.
    He is not yet clear:

    "With Likud back in power, starting in 2009, Israeli foreign policy is still under review. Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu, in his "National Security" platform, neither endorsed nor ruled out the idea of a Palestinian state"

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    But the point was that the Likkud Charter says something that is not respected by Netanyahu (who does not exclude the possibility of the creation of a Palestinian state), exactly as the Hamas charter is not respected by the leaders of the Hamas.

    And then you need to read my link where they deny saying that.
    Your source says "Dwaik told Hamas website on Thursday that the report was "inaccurate". According to him, Hamas will never recognize the occupation on Palestinian lands."

    That does not contradict mine, which says "Hamas said today it would accept a Palestinian state on land occupied in the 1967 war, but it would not explicitly recognise Israel. "

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I don't support it.
    Good

    What does that have to do with your trying to claim it is genocidal?
    Explained above

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