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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    prefer to view them as either situationally consistent or not.
    How do you judge if it is situtionally consitent or not? You need criters!

    Why would criters such as
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    - consequences
    - efficiency
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    How do you judge if it is situtionally consitent or not? You need criters!

    Why would criters such as
    - necessity
    - consequences
    - efficiency
    be forgotten?
    I didn't say that these "critters" would be forgotten. However, I would not look at them in a vacuum, either. Numbers are meaningless without context. Neither are any of the other things you mention.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    I didn't say that these "critters" would be forgotten. However, I would not look at them in a vacuum, either. Numbers are meaningless without context. Neither are any of the other things you mention.
    The three criters I mention have to be evalued from the context (so there is no "vacuum"), not just from numbers. There can be other criters too, but these three ones seem primordial.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    Anti-semitic means you are anti-Jewish.

    Questioning Israeli policy is politics not anti-semitism; questioning U.S. foreign relations with Israel is politics, not anti-semitism.

    I am tired of the red herring argument that because you question Israeli policy you hate Jews. It's like saying because you question Obama's policy choices that you hate black people.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    I think they ought to wet her lips and stick her to a mirror.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The three criters I mention have to be evalued from the context (so there is no "vacuum"), not just from numbers. There can be other criters too, but these three ones seem primordial.
    So, we agree that without context, none of the things that you mention can be evaluated.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, we agree that without context, none of the things that you mention can be evaluated.
    Of course, that's what I've been saying from the begining. And in order to evalue the context, 3 of the most important criters are the necessit (that's in direct relation with the context), the efficience and the consequences (that's also related to the context). One more criter, close to the "efficience", could be the "appropriateness" of the action (for example not trying to extinguish a fire with oil)
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Of course, that's what I've been saying from the begining. And in order to evalue the context, 3 of the most important criters are the necessit (that's in direct relation with the context), the efficience and the consequences (that's also related to the context). One more criter, close to the "efficience", could be the "appropriateness" of the action (for example not trying to extinguish a fire with oil)
    OK, but you do understand that when until adding context to the mix, none of the things can be evaluated, globally. For example, in one circumstance, the deaths of 2000 civilians may be appropriate, in another they may not be.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    OK, but you do understand that when until adding context to the mix, none of the things can be evaluated, globally. For example, in one circumstance, the deaths of 2000 civilians may be appropriate, in another they may not be.
    We agree totally.

    So I guess that now you also agree that "proportionality" matters, since "proportionality" (which is roughly the criters I have mentioned in my previous post) is, of course, evaluated in relation to the context.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    We agree totally.

    So I guess that now you also agree that "proportionality" matters, since "proportionality" (which is roughly the criters I have mentioned in my previous post) is, of course, evaluated in relation to the context.
    No, we do not, since proportionality is a concept, not a "critter". Proportionality indicates that there is some reasonable ratio that can be determined between acts. There isn't because of context of the situations. Context negates proportionality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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