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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Read this thread in order to find out what the problem in the ME is. You've got people with absolutist positions from each side doing nothing but making overgeneralized accusations at the other side.
    So I guess that you do not find it hypocritical when Americans are blaming Israel for disproportionality?
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    They denied chocolate and coffee to a people who voted for an organization which calls for the extermination of world jewry in their charter? Say it isn't so.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So I guess that you do not find it hypocritical when Americans are blaming Israel for disproportionality?
    Be honest with yourself Captain.
    Did I say that? I'm not talking specifics here. I think the "proportionality" argument is idiotic. A good way for Palestinian civiilians to stop getting killed is for Palestinians to stop firing rockets into Israel. But like I said, I'm notlooking at specifics. I'm looking at arguments as a whole.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No because Israel responds to a slingshot with a mortar fire.
    The old "kids with sticks and stones" routine eh? Sorry but high explosive rocket =/= slingshot, and kids strapped with suicide vests and AK-47s don't equal sticks and stones.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, it's because Israel, when they fight back, always seem to go further than necessary.
    So you want proportionality then? O.K. gotcha, if Israel responded proportionally and fired katusha rocket for katusha rocket then there would be a whole ****load more dead Palestinian civilians than there are now, because Gaza and the West Bank do not have the same building codes that the Israelis do.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    That does not mean anything:

    about the invasion of Poland



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    So Israel is staging the thousands of rocket attacks launched by Hamas?

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Did I say that? I'm not talking specifics here. I think the "proportionality" argument is idiotic. A good way for Palestinian civiilians to stop getting killed is for Palestinians to stop firing rockets into Israel. But like I said, I'm notlooking at specifics. I'm looking at arguments as a whole.
    Alright, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    and ther are those of us who think that proportionality is a joke.
    It's still a basic concept that is used in every legal system.

    For example, let's say that you steal underwears in a shop. Do you think it would be fair if it gave the right to the shopkeeper to behead you?

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So you want proportionality then? O.K. gotcha, if Israel responded proportionally and fired katusha rocket for katusha rocket then there would be a whole ****load more dead Palestinian civilians than there are now, because Gaza and the West Bank do not have the same building codes that the Israelis do.
    When Israel has responded to the Hamas' constant attacks on its civilians in the 2009 Gaza operation Cast Lead, it has pretty much acted with proportionality.
    A bomb for every rocket launcher, a bomb for every underground tunnel, a bomb for every rockets-creating labratory and a bomb for every Hamas HQ.
    Certainly that would end up in tens of thousands of bombs, but that's completely fitting the definition of proportionality is it not?
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    When Israel has responded to the Hamas' constant attacks on its civilians in the 2009 Gaza operation Cast Lead, it has pretty much acted with proportionality.
    A bomb for every rocket launcher, a bomb for every underground tunnel, a bomb for every rockets-creating labratory and a bomb for every Hamas HQ.
    Certainly that would end up in tens of thousands of bombs, but that's completely fitting the definition of proportionality is it not?
    OK, so what do you call "proportionality"? What's your criteria?

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