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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You must be against the U.S. killing many more civilians in Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan in probably a month than the out of control Israelies.
    That's the funny point there.
    All of those pretty souls that are telling you Israel should be more proportionate in its response to the massive rocket launchings at its civilians would be up in arms if you'd tell them that the US acts far worse in terms of proportionality.
    It just provides a basis for that which is already known to us, the anti-Israeli camp is not motivated by actual logic and rational arguments, but with pure hatred.
    Any other nation doing what Israel does and it'd be seen as a clear act of self-defense, and rightfully so.

    When facts are showing that Israel has clearly done nothing wrong, and yet the entire world and its crippled sister are all out condemning Israel and pretending it to be the world's source of evil, for killing 9 people who's only sin was that they've tried to lynch and murder Israeli soldiers, it points at nothing but the absurdness of the international community.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    As to the thread's topic; hopefully that ugly piece of crap would get ran over by a truck mistaking her for a ****ing speed bump.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is true and I wish more people understood it.

    Edit: and has any one yet commented on the fact that the vast majority of Jews in Israel where born in Israel? Going to Germany would not be "going back", it would be going away.
    I don't think there's much left from the German Jewish community anyway, so I can't see where's the group of people that this ugly talking head is sending back to Germany.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Exactly. I think that the pro-Israel side of the on-going discussion has done a very good job of clinging to and amplifying the victimhood of the Jewish people in history and tying that to Israel as a nation. And it has been done in such a way as to invoke anti-Semitism sentiments as a condemnation for even thinking to question Israel let alone criticize it.

    Frankly, at this point, the questions of historical victimization of the Jewish people and of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are separate issues, entirely. They have nothing to do with each other.
    Israel is a liberal democracy, I'm not anymore pro-Israel than I am pro-French, pro-U.K., or pro-Sweden, but I'm sure as hell pro-Liberalism and I definitely am anti-Islamist. So ya when faced with a liberal democracy suffering from terrorism conducted by a people who voted for a genocidal Islamist organization to lead them and you're not picking one side over the other then I have to question what the hell you're thinking.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    That's exactly the message of the host: "you're an Arab in Israel, so be glad that we allow you to be here. Now don't make too much noise or we'll deport you"

    You're absolutely right when you state that there are no Jews or Christians in Arab Parliaments (well, except the defence minister of Saddam Hussein, who was Christian) but no one pretends that these Arab countries are democracies.
    So Israel is just pretending to be a democracy now?

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    No one says that Israel does not have the right to defend itself, people say that it should be done with proportionality



    One more problem is that, as several posters have said in this thread, criticism of Israel is too often dismissed as "anti-semitism". When people say that Belgian para-commandos should not have tortured a Somali kid on 1993 or that the same soldiers should have done something about the Rwandan genocide in 1994, or that there is a serious democratic deficit when all the Walloon parties team up, no one says that it is "anti-Belgianism".
    You know where you can stick your little pie charts? The only reason why more Israelis haven't been killed by the tens of thousands of high explosive rockets fired into densly populated Israeli civilian sectors is because Israeli building codes require bomb shelters or at least one fortified room. Let me come into your ****ing neighbor and fire thousands of rockets at you and then talk to me about proportionality. Israel has been more than restrained in its responses to indiscriminate and brutal attacks against its civilian population, they drop leaflets warning of incoming attacks, they use precision weapons, etc, it's not Israel's fault that Hamas intentionally stations itself around civilians, fires from civilian positions into civilian positions, and uses women and children (including babies) as human shields.

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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Read this thread in order to find out what the problem in the ME is. You've got people with absolutist positions from each side doing nothing but making overgeneralized accusations at the other side.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    I don't think people understand what the amount of dead Israelis would be if Israel wasn't investing billions of dollars in offering security to its people against those rockets.
    Alarms that go on minutes before a rocket hits, shelters in every building, anti-rockets defense systems, and far more.
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    Re: Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Do you not think that there is a great disproportion when 465 people are killed on one side and 4 on the other side?
    No because Hamas was not trying to kill 4 people, they were trying to kill as many as they could, once again the only reason why many many more Israeli civilians aren't killed is because Israeli building codes require a bomb shelter or at least one fortified room within dwellings in range of Hamas rockets. Hamas fires thousands upon thousands of rockets into densly populated civilian sectors, if these rockets had been fired into neighborhoods like yours and mine hundreds of people would be killed. Another reason why more Palestinians are killed is because Hamas uses human shields, fires into civilian sectors from civilian sectors, does not wear uniforms, etc etc.

    When basic goods (such as chocolate or coffee) are banned, for no other reason than to punish civilians?
    They denied chocolate and coffee to a people who voted for an organization which calls for the extermination of world jewry in their charter? Say it isn't so.

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