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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

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    It will be a great day when Americans understand that supreme court justices are not politicians, but they decide whether or not rulings, and or laws are constitutional. They may have their personal views, but the constitution is their guide in all of their rulings.
    It would be an even better day if it were made clear that the Justces themselves understood this!

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Anything left of hard right can be construed by some Republicans as hard left.
    Or...

    Anything right of hard left can be construed by some Democrats as hard right.

    Pot, kettle, etc., etc., etc.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    Unalianable rights:
    "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
    Declaration of independence, not the Constitution... but life is a right and life begins at conception.

    Was there something you missed with dissent of JFK's justice? Seems so.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Excellet point. The supreme court is now a puppet for the right and left to inject their positions in to our counrty for decades after any president is in office. It is like our schools have become launching pads for political persuasion, not enlightenment and intellect.
    It has always been this way. In fact there was a very similar fight in Washington's day over one of the first appointments.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not shocked.

    I'm not shocked that a liberal Barack Obama would nominate a staunch liberal justice.

    I'm not shocked that the Obama Administration would once again go for hardlined ideology rather than be "post partisan" nor that he'd just go with the trend of always picking someone strongly on your ideological side when he promised "Change from POLITICS AS USUAL" nor surprised that his administration would try to paint her and depict her as moderate when he's promised a transparent government.

    I'm not shocked when Barack Obama does what Barack Obama has done throughout his presidency, and politicians have done throughout their existance.
    I'm not shocked that you ignore that she's still to the right of the justice she's replacing.

    You people will get your panties in a bunch over anything.

    She's not as far left as either Roberts or Alito are far to the right.

    And Roberts actually changed the balance of the Court. Kagen won't. If she does, she moves it slightly right because she's replacing the most liberal justice on the Court.

    But don't let me interrupt your little whiny sessions. I'll let y'all get back to it.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I'm not shocked that you ignore that she's still to the right of the justice she's replacing.

    You people will get your panties in a bunch over anything.

    She's not as far left as either Roberts or Alito are far to the right.

    And Roberts actually changed the balance of the Court. Kagen won't. If she does, she moves it slightly right because she's replacing the most liberal justice on the Court.

    But don't let me interrupt your little whiny sessions. I'll let y'all get back to it.
    FDR changed the balance of the court. It's been downhill since then.
    Lowest moments in the nomination process had to be Bork and Thomas. Dead Kennedy was an absolute ass.
    Correction: The Gang of 14 was the lowest of the low. Spineless twit parade.

    And yes, we do get our gonch in a wad over this. These people have become a legislative body on their own, and I for one would like to see the activists removed and replaced by people that actually do uphold the Constitution, and when it is not in their purview, leave the matters for the States to work through or Congress.

    We do not need agenda driven activists on the Supreme Court. We need the finest legal minds using The Constitution as the floor, the basis to make decisions. If it ain't in there... then the legislators craft the law.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Unalianable rights:
    "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
    Declaration of independence, not the Constitution... but life is a right and life begins at conception.

    Was there something you missed with dissent of JFK's justice? Seems so.

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    Absolutism can make it hard to understand the world.

    What is "life?" Is the egg alone alive? How about the sperm? At the moment of conception, there's not really much biological distinction between the cluster of cells in a pregnancy and some bacteria. Is it a human? What makes us human anyway? That little cell cluster doesn't even have a nervous system yet, let alone anything you could consider a brain. It takes a while for the fetus to surpass a cat's ability to think. (heck, I'm not sure that even happens before birth) Does the cat have a right to life?

    What about a fetus that is severely damaged or defective? Usually, nature takes care of this via a miscarriage, but sometimes a fetus develops that has no chance of survival. Take that poor woman who gave birth to a baby with anencephaly. The baby was born without a brain, it was incapable of thought. Is that baby even alive? Sometimes the mother's life is at risk. What then? What if giving birth gives the mother a 50% chance of death. 90%? 10%?

    My point is, the situation is not as black and white as you make it out to be.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Absolutism can make it hard to understand the world.

    What is "life?" Is the egg alone alive? How about the sperm? At the moment of conception, there's not really much biological distinction between the cluster of cells in a pregnancy and some bacteria. Is it a human? What makes us human anyway? That little cell cluster doesn't even have a nervous system yet, let alone anything you could consider a brain. It takes a while for the fetus to surpass a cat's ability to think. (heck, I'm not sure that even happens before birth) Does the cat have a right to life?
    Alone an egg cannot create human life. Alone sperm cannot. If it were so, Monica Lewinsky's blue dress would have produced a whole lot of little Hillbillies and Billyetes.

    Doesn't matter the speed of development either. Once those DNA packs unite, Boom Goes the Dynamite... human life is conceived.
    Not too difficult a concept to grasp if you use the slightest modicum of critical thinking.

    What about a fetus that is severely damaged or defective? Usually, nature takes care of this via a miscarriage, but sometimes a fetus develops that has no chance of survival. Take that poor woman who gave birth to a baby with anencephaly. The baby was born without a brain, it was incapable of thought. Is that baby even alive? Sometimes the mother's life is at risk. What then? What if giving birth gives the mother a 50% chance of death. 90%? 10%?
    I didn't rule out all abortion, only those used as a form of birth control... which is about a million per year.

    My point is, the situation is not as black and white as you make it out to be.
    Your point makes no sense frankly. It's a nice attempt, but is made moot by the fact conception is the start of human life... or cat life, or dog life... and we have unalianable rights.

    What I find interesting is the libs seek to protect everything... even the sickest criminal elements from execution, but when it comes to a baby in the womb... those most vulnerable, those without a voice... ah ****... they claim it's an nonviable mass of cells that we can rip out for convenience. It's cold, harsh, cheapens life and is damn near Mengele-like in its sickness. There is no compassion. Human life is treated like a Bic disposable lighter.

    That said, if States voted for it, then ok, but to have the Supreme Court create law from their bench because it is their personal agenda... No, no, no... that is not how things are supposed to be done in these United States of America.

    I used to support your point of view long ago, know it well, and obviously reject it today.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE: Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

    I think we should all be able to agree that more information is a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    She's not as far left as either Roberts or Alito are far to the right.
    Got anything to back this up, or are you just labeling everything conservative as extreme and everything liberal as moderate?
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