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    Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy



    This statement is in direct contradiction to an earlier statement where the Israelis claimed to have found weapons on board the ships.




    This revelation means that Israeli forces attacked and killed almost 20 people in international waters who were unarmed.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    My bottom dollar says that Israel is trying to instigate a war.

    If Israel REALLY was interested in protecting itself, they could have let them in, determined if there was weapons as silently as possible and then dropping a missile when these weapons reached their destination... Then they could have positioned themselves defensively and would have put the 'relief' efforts as 'terrorist' attackers to their nation.

    So, now because of theire over-reactive knee-jerk response there's going to be an escalation... and these escalations are justifiable because the convoys were the ones that were attacked in this situation.

    Edit : Almost forgot... assuming there was no weapons, just aid on these convoys, a more rational response would have prevented Israel getting this political black eye.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    First, none of these photos are sourced and could have come from anywhere.

    Second, knives and slingshots? Really? Israel has half its military paid for by the US and their concern is technology that pre-dates civilization? The knives in and of themselves are meaningless as a knife is a common tool, used every day for non-violent purposes.

    The "explosive device" doesn't look very convincing either. What's it made of? Why cant we see into the device?

    A handful of un-sourced photographs of what the IDF classifies as "weapons" do not make a convincing case.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    My bottom dollar says that Israel is trying to instigate a war.
    With who? Turkey? Why would they want to do that?

    If Israel REALLY was interested in protecting itself, they could have let them in, determined if there was weapons as silently as possible and then dropping a missile when these weapons reached their destination... Then they could have positioned themselves defensively and would have put the 'relief' efforts as 'terrorist' attackers to their nation.
    WHAT!? Seriously? Let weapons in, and then hope you can track them down before they get used... that is the plan? So, if the US determined that someone was trying to sneak a nuclear warhead into the country, we ought to just let it come, and then try to track it down, because that would "look" better???

    So, now because of theire over-reactive knee-jerk response there's going to be an escalation... and these escalations are justifiable because the convoys were the ones that were attacked in this situation.

    Edit : Almost forgot... assuming there was no weapons, just aid on these convoys, a more rational response would have prevented Israel getting this political black eye.
    The most rational thing that could have been done was not try to run a military blockade...
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    First, none of these photos are sourced and could have come from anywhere.

    Second, knives and slingshots? Really? Israel has half its military paid for by the US and their concern is technology that pre-dates civilization? The knives in and of themselves are meaningless as a knife is a common tool, used every day for non-violent purposes.

    The "explosive device" doesn't look very convincing either. What's it made of? Why cant we see into the device?

    A handful of un-sourced photographs of what the IDF classifies as "weapons" do not make a convincing case.
    Actual pictures of items found on the ship: Unreliable and proof of nothing.
    Unsourced claims by Al-Jazeera: Proof that there were no weapons.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    With who? Turkey? Why would they want to do that?
    The best way to solve economic crisis is through major war...

    WHAT!? Seriously? Let weapons in, and then hope you can track them down before they get used... that is the plan? So, if the US determined that someone was trying to sneak a nuclear warhead into the country, we ought to just let it come, and then try to track it down, because that would "look" better???
    Sorry, ya, looking at the answer, it wasn't quite how I intended... I was thinking more along the lines of searching the ship when they got there, determine what type of weapons if any were on the ship without necessarily alerting the crew that weapons were found (if we're talking a nuclear weapon found or some WMD then it would have to be dealt with instantly)... and to track the convoys movements and then attack the destination.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but israel does in fact have drone aircraft, and other sorts of techniques that could track the movement and attack the convoy precisely on cue. This would ALSO help in their conflict with the palestinians by targeting those that are recipients of these weapons (assuming that we're talking guns and grenades rather then missiles and nukes)

    Meanwhile, this would have prevented an international incident because they would be acting defensively all in all.

    The most rational thing that could have been done was not try to run a military blockade...
    Well, you could argue that a millitary blockade is an act of war on it's face... but yes I agree with you here.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The best way to solve economic crisis is through major war...
    Morgan Stanley estimates 3.7% growth in the Israeli economy in 2010. That is not what I would point to as a "major economic crisis" exactly. In fact, I would argue that Israel has fared far better in the recent global downturn than most other states.

    Sorry, ya, looking at the answer, it wasn't quite how I intended... I was thinking more along the lines of searching the ship when they got there, determine what type of weapons if any were on the ship without necessarily alerting the crew that weapons were found (if we're talking a nuclear weapon found or some WMD then it would have to be dealt with instantly)... and to track the convoys movements and then attack the destination.
    They tried to do that, and the flotilla refused to comply. Also, it would seem to be a vast waste of resources to monitor things of that nature after they are all being dispursed (assuming you could monitor them all) when you could just stop the boat all together from arriving.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but israel does in fact have drone aircraft, and other sorts of techniques that could track the movement and attack the convoy precisely on cue. This would ALSO help in their conflict with the palestinians by targeting those that are recipients of these weapons (assuming that we're talking guns and grenades rather then missiles and nukes)
    Drones cannot sit over an area forever, they could be used to track convoys etc, but in something like a small arms shipment, that could be dispursed and moved far to quickly and covertly for a drone to really be all that effective in monitoring.

    Meanwhile, this would have prevented an international incident because they would be acting defensively all in all.
    I tend to doubt it. SOP for groups acting with Gaza seems to be to hide among civilians so that any strike (even a strike in Gaza like you describe) can be spun as Israel being the "aggressor" and killing "innocent" women and children. I guess it is like terrorism 101, but it has been pretty effective at doing that.


    Well, you could argue that a millitary blockade is an act of war on it's face... but yes I agree with you here.
    Well, if anything, wouldn't the blockade be an "act of war" against Gaza, and not Turkey (which seems to be the most upset about what has taken place)? I don't know in what country these ships were flagged, but I don't think that a blockade being an "act of war" gives someone the automatic right to run it.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Holy crap! Is that a kitchen knife and a screw driver? Oh my gosh I think I seen a stick in the photo. Those could put an eye out
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Holy crap! Is that a kitchen knife and a screw driver? Oh my gosh I think I seen a stick in the photo. Those could put an eye out
    If you got stabbed in the throat with a six inch knife, do you think you'd give a **** whether it was a kitchen knife or a switchblade?
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