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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    One of the Israeli government's ministers(Benjamin ben-Eliezer) has just stated that an international investigation should be formed, explaining that "Israel has got absolutely nothing to hide".
    would you object to the israeli decision if it is to refuse to allow international representatives to assist in the investigation of this matter?
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post


    This statement is in direct contradiction to an earlier statement where the Israelis claimed to have found weapons on board the ships.





    This revelation means that Israeli forces attacked and killed almost 20 people in international waters who were unarmed.
    If this is true, I say it was a setup. It was successful too. They sent a flotilla, void of the usual contraban, then cause a stir by not responding to the IDF Navy....knowing they would be boarded. Then cause violence so that the IDF would have to take defensive action. The whole effort to discredit Israel. If this so called revelation is truth, it's the only explanation. Do you really believe in the virgin white innocense of this so-called humanitarian effort?
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    would you object to the israeli decision if it is to refuse to allow international representatives to assist in the investigation of this matter?
    My ideal solution, as is the Israeli state's ideal solution I believe, would be to have an Israeli investigation with overseers from all around the world.
    Perhaps Egypt, Jordan, the USA, NATO, EU, UK and Turkey.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post

    This revelation means that Israeli forces attacked and killed almost 20 people in international waters who were unarmed.


    So wait, they provoked running a blockade with no weapons according to al jazeera?



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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My ideal solution, as is the Israeli state's ideal solution I believe, would be to have an Israeli investigation with overseers from all around the world.
    Perhaps Egypt, Jordan, the USA, NATO, EU, UK and Turkey.

    Hmn well you had a knesset member on board Mavi Marmara, Hanin Zoabi - she no doubt could be in charge of part of the investigation.

    Gaza flotilla raid pushes unknown Knesset member into spotlight - CSMonitor.com
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Hmn well you had a knesset member on board Mavi Marmara, Hanin Zoabi - she no doubt could be in charge of part of the investigation.

    Gaza flotilla raid pushes unknown Knesset member into spotlight - CSMonitor.com
    The answer is clearly no.
    She is very radical and was already caught on a lie when she told the foreign press that soldiers were not attacked.
    After the footage was released they asked her if she takes back her words and she said she doesn't, because she doesn't consider using bats and knives as attacking.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The answer is clearly no.
    She is very radical and was already caught on a lie when she told the foreign press that soldiers were not attacked.
    After the footage was released they asked her if she takes back her words and she said she doesn't, because she doesn't consider using bats and knives as attacking.
    I did say that with tongue in cheek anticipating you would not agree

    The problem is that most people who I have heard talk who were on the boat would agree with her.

    Because Israel stopped everyone else from filming no one can provide any video information from the other side.

    People do accept that hoses and battons were used against the Israeli's but they also say they were very scared and most of them seem to believe this was just self defence. It appears there were all kinds of people on this ship. In other words the people who like to say this was just jihadists are far from accurate.

    People have had their phones and even passports and credit cards confiscated or so I am hearing.

    It really needs an neutral investigation. Is that possible, probably not.

    I think it would be good to listen to her. You need to understand that not everyone will have seen everything.

    I listened to one retunee last night. He believed that people were just using anything they could to defend themselves. They were on the high seas. They did not believe Israel had a right to board their boat.

    We aren't imo if we have an honest inquiry going to find a good and bad - or I certainly will be very surprised if we do. Obviously if indeed anyone did try to lynch Israelis that is on a different level but that also would need to be proved.

    Mistakes were made and the reason for the violence must be found. In order to do this Israel must look at not just what happened but the reason it happened and that includes being willing to understand people coming from a different motivation to the one Israel perceives.

    It would possibly be more likely to get an honest appraisal if it were done in the main with an orientation of using the information found to avoid this in the future. (said in peace)
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    Israeli military gives version of flotilla incident - CNN.com
    ""They beat us up with metal sticks and knives," he said. "There was live fire at some point against us... They were shooting at us from below deck."

    Now apparently the activists had magic guns that disappear once dropped because the IDF has yet to find any firearms or present proof that any firearms except their own were fired or even present.

    I'm still waiting for you to show me how it's illegal. It's been several days, and no one has yet managed to come up with anything.
    The only reason you haven't seen it is because you ignore what people say. According to international conventions on maritime law, which I have previously posted, Israel has to seek permission from the host government of a ship to stop and seize it in international waters, which they did not do.

    No, I'm making it seem like carrying a utility knife or metal pole around and then using it to attack someone makes it seem like you had it for the purpose of attacking someone.
    Rather than repeating the bare and unsupported assertion of some guy, why don't you show me how it violated international law?
    This has been posted time and time and TIME again

    Byers has the right test, but like most law profs, he ignores the fact that it's not up to him to determine whether the threat was imminent. Israel determined that it was, so it took action. Who the **** is he to say that they're wrong?
    Because no indication of any threat has been found onboard the ships. We also dont know what Israel knew because they arent being very forthcoming with the impetus for stopping and searching the ships.

    Link me to the part of the convention that makes this illegal.
    It's provided in the link you responded to, dont blame me for you being lazy.

    I explained how this is entirely inapplicable in this very thread less than 24 hours ago.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If this is true, I say it was a setup. It was successful too. They sent a flotilla, void of the usual contraban, then cause a stir by not responding to the IDF Navy....knowing they would be boarded. Then cause violence so that the IDF would have to take defensive action. The whole effort to discredit Israel. If this so called revelation is truth, it's the only explanation. Do you really believe in the virgin white innocense of this so-called humanitarian effort?
    "This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians," she said. Irishman Fintan Lane echoed the sentiments. "We are determined to break Israel's blockade and will not be intimidated," said Lane, one of 750 activists from around the world, including dozens of public officials from European and Arab countries, who organisers say are heading towards Gaza.
    Gaza aid fleet undeterred as Israel steps up warnings - Yahoo! News

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Israel's foreign ministry said it had warned the ambassadors of Cyprus, Greece, Ireland, Sweden and Turkey -- from where the ships set sail -- that it had "issued warrants that prohibit the entrance of the vessels to Gaza."

    The flotilla "is about to break international law," the ministry's director general Yossi Gal told the diplomats.
    Gaza aid fleet undeterred as Israel steps up warnings - Yahoo! News

    OBL 11/24/02

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