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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Boarding and inspection was consistent with international law (San Remo Manual, Law of the Sea Convention, and customary international law). Furthermore, the Convention specifically notes:

    ARTICLE 9

    Nothing in this Convention shall affect in any way the rules of international law pertaining to the competence of States to exercise investigative or enforcement jurisdiction on board ships not flying their flag.


    In the case in question, Israel's inspection was consistent with Article 9. Hence, there were no violations.
    At first, I read that provision the same way. However, after looking at it again I think that "ships not flying their flag" means "ships that are sailing under no flag," rather than "ships that are sailing under a flag different than that of the country boarding the ship." I could (very easily) be wrong on that, but that was my hunch. It's a minor point, because either way you're right that the convention is inapplicable here.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    They aren't even in war with Gaza anymore I THOUGHT they pulled out of Gaza oh my I guess the blockade isn't necessary anymore.

    Israel Pulls Ground Troops Out of Gaza - washingtonpost.com
    MICHAEL OREN: I think Hamas is appreciably less popular among the population of Gaza today than it was three years ago.

    People of Gaza look across at what's happening in the West Bank, where there's an annual growth rate of between 11 and 8 percent, a very, very high growth rate, where there are tens of thousands of new jobs, where there are talks going on between the Israeli government and the Palestinian Authority, where the Israeli government and the Israeli army has withdrawn from major Palestinian cities and Palestinian security forces have deployed, they look at everything that's happening on the West Bank. None of that is happening in Gaza.

    And they conclude the only reason that's not happening is because of the regime that is ruling Gaza. And the minute that regime either disappears or ceases its war to destroy the state of Israel -- and that is its expressed intention -- it's actually in the covenant of Hamas -- then there's no need for a blockade. There's no reason for any restrictions whatsoever. There will be an open border.
    Israeli Ambassador: Soldiers Had 'No Choice But to Defend Themselves' | PBS NewsHour | May 31, 2010 | PBS

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    And why do they not realse what happen when they shot people just what they say the activist did?

    This is why I hate American Media they never let you have the full truth about what happened over their I have seen footage coming live from the ship in question, and this is why I hardly by Israel version of events
    Does the Huffington Post or CNN suit your fancy, or do you trust Aljazeera or a media outlet that caters to Hamas?

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Does the Huffington Post or CNN suit your fancy, or do you trust Aljazeera or a media outlet that caters to Hamas?
    No I was just saying that I want to know what happen during the time of when they shot people, and during, and after they rised the white flag, since I could hear gun fire in the back ground I want to know who did the shooting ect. Aljazera doesn't cater to Hamas when they tend too show you what Iseral did in the raid. I trust the american media as much as I trust other cable meida that is about none thanks.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes and we know how well using knives and clubs are against SMG's and handguns dont we. By god they were armed to the teeth werent they, able to defend themselves versus the entire Israeli navy with just knives and clubs, and by golly win
    They wanted to become Shahid and are on record saying as such. What do you think would happen if you attacked a cop searching your car with a baseball bat or a knife? You would be shot. The Jihadists attempted to use deadly force against Israeli soldiers conducting a legitimate weapons inspection and the Israeli soldiers responded with deadly force.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It was the Israeli navy that violently boarded the ship, not the other way around.
    The Israeli Navy attempted to conduct a legitimate weapons inspection on a jihadist funded and crewed ship with the explicit intent of running the legal Israeli blockade.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Because they ARE ****ing kitchen knives and metal pipes! I'm sorry but that is the lamest explanation I have ever heard. Anyone familiar with Israel at all knows you do NOT **** with the IDF, these are not people known for their easy-going nature and sense of humor. Metal pipes and kitchen knives are NOT going to do anything wielded by civilians against trained IDF commandos and any fool knows that.
    They brutally attacked the IDF soldiers with these daggers and metal clubs. The Israeli soldiers were met with deadly force while attempting to conduct a legitimate weaons inspection on a ship attempting to run the Israeli blockade and the Israeli soldiers responded with deadly force against the Jihadists. I don't see the problem here.

    It actually does make a difference. Kitchen knives are not designed for stabbing someone and break easily when they are used to do so. The metal of kitchen knives is extremely hard so that it retains an edge longer but that also makes it brittle, try bending a kitchen knife someday and you'll see what I mean. A $6 pocket knife is a better tool for stabbing someone than a kitchen knife.
    So I can stab you in the throat with a kitchen knife then? Good to know.

    Oh and that 8 inch long 4 inch wide Jambiya battle dagger must have been used to cut some pretty big ****ing fruit.
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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    It wasnt a ****ing accident, Israel shot down people who could have been easily subdued or otherwise surrendered to ensure that they stopped coming.
    Go pull a knife or a metal club on any cop on the planet and I'll see your ass in the obituary section. The IDF soldiers were met with deadly force and responded in kind.

    Keep in mind, this attack took place in INTERNATIONAL WATERS.
    Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if it was in international waters since it was clear that they were intending to run the blockade.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Israel Rejects calls for International investigation. Israel rejects independent probe calls

    I wonder what those who say Israel has done nothing wrong and that if Iran has nothing to hide why dont they allow international investigators?

    I'd prefer to see and wait for all the facts to come in and some form of investigation to be complete before making an opinion either way.

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    Re: Israeli officials have found no weapons onboard relief convoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Israel Rejects calls for International investigation. Israel rejects independent probe calls

    I wonder what those who say Israel has done nothing wrong and that if Iran has nothing to hide why dont they allow international investigators?

    I'd prefer to see and wait for all the facts to come in and some form of investigation to be complete before making an opinion either way.
    Those investigations tend to be biased, such as the Goldstone investigation which was accused of bias by Israel, the US and a few other European countries.
    However the Israeli media reports that the state would have to cooperate with an international investigation.
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