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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And are you fooled by terrorists?
    Define terrorists. I was fooled by Bush at the start.. does that count? But under normal circumstances no, I am not fooled by anyone from the region.. I am equally skeptical of everyone.

    Israel presents facts.
    LOL they are about as factual in their statements as the North Korean military. Lets go through a few of their factual comments and actions of the past.

    Israel has denied for years they do not torture. Yet an official report in 2000 found that they did... ups.

    Israel to this date denies using white phosphorus against civilian areas in the Gaza invasion despite the massive amount of evidence showing that they did. The Israeli report on the issue cleared the IDF.. go figure. I guess all those children with white phosphorus burns and the burning rocks in gaza streets were just a fantasy.

    Israel denied for years that they used human shields in the west bank and yet had to admit that they did when they were caught red handed on camera doing exactly that. They still deny using human shields in the Gaza invasion, but considering their track record I highly doubt that they are telling the truth.

    These are just some of the "factual" issues with Israel over the years that I remember off hand.

    And no that does not mean I trust what Hamas or other terrorist organisations say. Far from it.

    The truth is that Israel was completely justified in what they did, and the Arab nations and other foolish countries are condemning Israel because they don't want to take a strong stand against evil and terrorist (plus they want to keep good relations with the Arab nations).
    So it is okay for you for say Iran to board a US ship in international waters because they suspect contraband of any sort? The fact that Israel did this in international waters and did not wait till the boats were in Gaza/Israeli waters stinks of arrogance and stupidity. They think they are untouchable, and with the US sugardaddy they pretty much are. They could nuke a city and get away with it.. not even the US would get away with that... but Israel would I bet as it stands now.

    The world has become so hypocritical and weak. They condemn Israel but allow FGM, religious persecution, and women's rights to be violated every day by the nations that condemn the "evil" actions of the Zionist regime.
    The world is hypocritical and weak now? lets see here. Israel bombs civilians... the world minus the US condemns Israel. The Palestinians bomb an Israeli bus, the world and the US condemns the Palestinians.. all I see here is the US being hypocrites not the world.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So it is okay for you for say Iran to board a US ship in international waters because they suspect contraband of any sort? The fact that Israel did this in international waters and did not wait till the boats were in Gaza/Israeli waters stinks of arrogance and stupidity.
    If Iran had reasonable basis to suspect that the U.S. ship was delivering weapons or other contraband to let's say revolutionary groups within Iran, legally it could do so.

    Indeed, the entire Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI) is premised on the legality of inspecting/boarding ships in international waters, if necessary. The aim of the PSI is to limit the proliferation of WMD, WMD components, etc. Participants include Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Turkey, the UK, and the U.S. If such inspections/boarding were not legal under international law--and that is not the case--the PSI would encounter a major defect created by immunity that would apply to the transport of WMD/WMD components while the vessels are in international waters.

    In addition, the U.S. and UK, among other states, also board ships in international waters when such vessels are suspected of carrying narcotics.

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Define terrorists.
    Hamas and various other global jihadist organizations, as well as, those who fund them; such as, the IHH which organized this instigation and elevation.

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    It was organised by' Free Gaza'. They now have a site called Witness Gaza. You can listen to a woman talking about who organised the trip, that is 'Free Gaza', who they are and what happened to them when they were boarded (not the ship where people were killed)

    first video for this.

    WitnessGAZA - Join us live as a witness in Gaza
    Don't drop your propaganda links on me Jihad Jane, the Turkish radical Islamist organization known as the Insani Yardim Vakfi or IHH which funds Hamas and other global jihadists organized this event.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Don't drop your propaganda links on me Jihad Jane, the Turkish radical Islamist organization known as the Insani Yardim Vakfi or IHH which funds Hamas and other global jihadists organized this event.
    Wondering whether to report you. You clearly have no ability to do much other than spread your own propaganda and personal insults. Free Gaza are the people who organised this flotilla. If you are so ignorant about that or so submerged in your own propaganda that the only thing you can do when someone politely provides you with a link where you can listen to this is start flaming then.......

    This flotilla was supported from people from many different countries including the US and also many important people. Are you going to be calling them all Jihad....You are flaming in this link and like I said I should report you. Do it one more time and I will.

    I am now putting you on ignore.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    They were attacked in international waters. The activists defended themselves. They have the right to do this.
    They weren't attacked. They were boarded then the activists attacked the Israeli boarding party.

    And as far as them being in international waters, here's what the Israeli ambassador to the US, Michael Oren, says about that:

    GWEN IFILL: Was the ship in international waters?

    MICHAEL OREN: It was.

    GWEN IFILL: Is that -- was that breaking the law for the Israeli military to board the ship in international waters, what so many people at the U.N. were saying that today?

    MICHAEL OREN: It is not.

    Under international law, when there's a case of a military blockade against a hostile entity -- and we are talking about a hostile entity -- this is -- this is Hamas in Gaza, a country under Article 51 of the United Nations charter, the right to self-defense, has a right to defend itself self.

    By the same articles of war, the United States blockaded Germany during World War II in the open seas. Israel was well within its international rights.
    Israeli Ambassador: Soldiers Had 'No Choice But to Defend Themselves' | PBS NewsHour | May 31, 2010 | PBS

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    I call bull****.
    The Israeli's just have a worse situation now. Egypt has opened the Gaza boarder and populations and goods are pouring into and out of Gaza like a river. Mubarak's little way of saying screw you i guess.
    I've never seen such a poorly conducted raid in ages. The "edited" version of the footage release only shows Israelis getting hit with sticks, i don't see no knives or axes. Defense is defense but how one intends to justify defending oneself against sticks with shotguns is beyond me.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Was listening on the news to a Dr who was on the ship and returned back to Scotland today, on crutches. He like everyone else I have heard who was on the ship found it a terrifying experience. He believes people took what they could because they thought they were fighting for their lives. It was dark, the Israelis descended apparently masked with explosions and so on.

    This Cnn page has some of the German returnees describing how it was for them (3rd video)

    New aid ship heads for Gaza, days after flotilla raid - CNN.com
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