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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it would appear you do not know about the armed IDF soldiers who assaulted the vessel using ropes dropped from hovering helicopters to illegally board the ship in international waters
    You mean the boat full of people whose stated intent was to run the blockade and aid and abet a genocidal terrorist organization?

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If the Israelis had boarded with "intent to slaughter", they would have had and used heavier weapons than just sidearms, and they would have used them early, rather than waiting until IDF soldiers had already been seriously wounded.
    If the Israelis had the "intent to slaughter", they could have just as easily sank the ships without risking the lives of any of their soldiers. It's what I would've done.

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I think Israel was within its full right to do what it did, knowing that the vessel was headed for the blockade. The issue wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't know that the West was supporting Israel. It bothers me that the resources of our nations are being put towards blockades, apartheid, and detention of my own countrymen in international waters.

    Israel can do what it wants. I just wish my country wasn't providing the money and arms to do it.
    "Apartheid", oh sorry for a second there I thought you were talking about Israel who has full and equal rights for all Israeli citizenry regardless of race, gender, or religion, but ofcourse you must have been talking about the vast majority of the Muslim world where non-Muslims and non-Males are treated as 3rd and 2nd class citizens.

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Unfortunately, the world is filled with stupid people.

    Here is a group with direct ties to Al Qaeda, and the naifs are eating right out of the palm of their hand. You may not be able to fool all the peopel all the time, but there is certainly no shortage of fools in the world.
    i keep seeing this argument about there being direct ties between the assaulted vessel and al qaeda.
    but no one is willing or able to post anything to evidence such direct ties to al qaeda.
    if you keep insisting there are actual ties with al qaeda, please post a link so we skeptics can see what you are going on about
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i keep seeing this argument about there being direct ties between the assaulted vessel and al qaeda.
    but no one is willing or able to post anything to evidence such direct ties to al qaeda.
    if you keep insisting there are actual ties with al qaeda, please post a link so we skeptics can see what you are going on about
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You mean this thread.
    I didn't necessarily intend it as a roll call, Pete.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you base this on what? That Israel says so? A country caught time and time again in lies? Sure... Israel would paint the US as Al Q if it would save their ass in a PR war.
    Antisemites might think so. Intelligent people and those without an agenda realize which side actually has the enormous numerical advantage when it comes to a Pr war, and don't fall for the stupid Pallywood nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Seems quite easy for Israel to fool you and your cohorts over and over again. As for the rest of the world, we have not been fooled by either Israel or the Palestinians by any measure.. we condemn them both for their acts of terror.. do you?
    Typical rhetoric for Pally propagandists to claim they are somehow not taking sides. If I've seen it once, I've seen it a hundred times.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it would appear you do not know about the armed IDF soldiers who assaulted the vessel using ropes dropped from hovering helicopters to illegally board the ship in international waters
    Where to begin with this…

    First, its not an “Assault” to enter the vessel using ropes dropped from helicopters.

    Second, the “illegality” of boarding it is massively in dispute with experts and intelligent people coming down on both sides of it. You speak it as if it’s an unquestionable fact, it’s not. All it does is show your obvious and plain bias in believing everything that those on the side of the boaters say and disbelieving everything said on the Israeli side, which shows no actual attempt at being objective but simply a desire to use this to hammer Israel due to your own biases.

    Third, even if we assume that the IDF soldiers did “assault” them by boarding the ship and that it was “illegal” that would still make the people on the boats out to either be absolute morons or douches seeking to cause an international incident to attack said IDF soldiers. Morons, because if the intent was to kill the people on the boats they could’ve done so without putting a single person on it so to assume they were in any kind of immediate danger is idiotic. Douches because they put themselves at risk for no other reason than to create an international incident to smear Israel all in the phony name of helping Gaza.

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    No, but neither were you and if you don't see the obvious aggression in boarding a boat on international waters with guns, then your either blind or purposefully deceiving yourself.
    There’s a difference between assault and aggression. Additionally, reacting to aggression with violent assault when there’s clear logical reasons to believe that said aggression is not going to be escalated to assault unless needed, is idiotic. If they wanted to simply kill them they could’ve blown up the ship without putting a person on it, or they could’ve given them better fire-arms, none of which happened and both of which would’ve been obvious. Additionally, in hindsight, we can see that such extreme violence DIDN’T happen on boats that didn’t attempt to assault the IDF soldiers showing in hindsight the notion that they were any danger to the passengers is wrong.

    If someone is angry and has a clenched fist but is holding back, obviously not wanting to punch me because of the ramifications of that, then I have three choices. Disengage, Escalate, or remain in the same point(which is what the person holding back is doing). Eventually, SOMEONE is going to have to do one of the first two choices of we’re going to stand there staring at each other for ever. However, if I escalate the matter then I should not be surprised nor truly upset when that escalation is met with equal or greater response.

    This is different than a situation where a guy is streaking across the room telling me “I’m going to punch you” and hitting him before he gets the swing off. In that particular case there’s clear reason to believe he’s going to act with violence and not just aggression. However such was not the case with regards to the IDF’s boarding.

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    apologies if i confused you. in the military 'air assault' training is that which teaches soldiers to conduct an assault using ropes lofted from rotary wing aircraft
    Oh…hold on, now I’m confused.

    So you’re saying because they’re trained to make an assault after using a rope to board a boat, that gives the passengers the right to pre-emptively strike them because of the assumption that they’re going to assault them?

    Using that logic, then could you not also say that the IDF was perfectly justified going onto a ship whose stated purpose was to bypass their blockaid and infringe upon their sovereign water, thus giving them the right to pre-emptively strike them because of the assumed invasion of their border?

    in your view those who were aboard the ship outside of israeli waters being assaulted by the israeli forces were wrong to defend themselves from such assault by armed soldiers
    you do realize that you are advocating cowardice - don't you?
    No, he’s advocating common sense.

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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'


    It was organised by' Free Gaza'. They now have a site called Witness Gaza. You can listen to a woman talking about who organised the trip, that is 'Free Gaza', who they are and what happened to them when they were boarded (not the ship where people were killed)

    first video for this.

    WitnessGAZA - Join us live as a witness in Gaza
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