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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But what did they defend themselves with? Why did they have weapons on the ship in the first place if they were heading into Gaza, where they knew full well there was a blockade?

    Oh, and how do YOU know if they "were attacked" before or after they "defended" themselves? Were you on the boat?
    No, but neither were you and if you don't see the obvious aggression in boarding a boat on international waters with guns, then your either blind or purposefully deceiving yourself.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sorry, ropes are not an "assault" unless they were used to whip the crew on board.
    apologies if i confused you. in the military 'air assault' training is that which teaches soldiers to conduct an assault using ropes lofted from rotary wing aircraft



    These guys knew full well about the blockade when they set off for Gaza. They knew full well they were going to be boarded just like every other Gaza-bound ship. If they "defended" themselves from that with physical force, then this is 100% the flotilla's fault.
    in your view those who were aboard the ship outside of israeli waters being assaulted by the israeli forces were wrong to defend themselves from such assault by armed soldiers
    you do realize that you are advocating cowardice - don't you?
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    No, but neither were you
    That's correct, but I'm not the one criticizing the activists without more information. You, however, are more than happy to reflexively condemn Israel. Although I'm waiting for more information before rendering any judgment, I will say that the Israeli side of the story seems a lot more plausible to me than the crew's side of the story. Let's compare:

    Side A: Israel stops six ships heading into Gaza, per their normal procedure. Five stop and are searched by Israel without incident. The sixth refuses to stop because it contained weapons, and is forcibly boarded. The crew, knowing that the weapons would be seized, decided to defend them with force. Israel then returned fire.

    Side B: Israel stops six ships heading into Gaza, per their normal procedure. Five stop and are searched by Israel without incident. The sixth refuses to stop out of "principle" even though it didn't have any weapons, and is forcibly boarded. Israel opens fire on this particular crew for no reason whatsoever, even though they stop ships hundreds of times every day. The crew then defended themselves against the "attack" with, umm, weapons.

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool
    and if you don't see the obvious aggression in boarding a boat on international waters with guns, then your either blind or purposefully deceiving yourself.
    There was a blockade in place. The crew knew this ahead of time; it's not like this was highly out of the ordinary and they didn't anticipate it. If they CHOSE to run the blockade and then fight back when Israel boarded, then it is their fault.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    in your view those who were aboard the ship outside of israeli waters being assaulted by the israeli forces were wrong to defend themselves from such assault by armed soldiers
    you do realize that you are advocating cowardice - don't you?
    I'm saying that the crew had every reason in the world to believe that they would be stopped just like every other ship, and made a choice to put themselves in that situation. At the very least, they clearly WANTED to incite trouble so they could "defend" themselves. That isn't bravery, it's being morons.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm saying that the crew had every reason in the world to believe that they would be stopped just like every other ship, and made a choice to put themselves in that situation. At the very least, they clearly WANTED to incite trouble so they could "defend" themselves. That isn't bravery, it's being morons.
    you have to wonder why 1 ship out of 6 from the same flotilla would react violently. Apparently the other 5 ships encountered no such problem with the Israelis. To me, that makes the one ship where this violence occured suspect.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    I don't think they sailed in hopes they would be shot and killed by Israelis.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    you have to wonder why 1 ship out of 6 from the same flotilla would react violently. Apparently the other 5 ships encountered no such problem with the Israelis. To me, that makes the one ship where this violence occured suspect.
    Exactly 5 of the ships were decoy's for the 6th ship which was trying to smuggle weapons to the Muslim terrorist pigs in Gaza
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    apologies if i confused you. in the military 'air assault' training is that which teaches soldiers to conduct an assault using ropes lofted from rotary wing aircraft
    So the US Coast guard conducts resuce and boarding missions with ropes. Does that count as an assault as well, since its ropes dangling from an aircraft?
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    It's nice to see the world so ready to enact international justice Now when are they going to punish Turkey, Iran, and Iraq for the treatment of the Kurds? When are they going to punish the KSA for their treatment of women and non Muslims? The world has a microscope focused solely on Israel and they will try and dig up the most microscopic blemish and try to use it against them. The full story is that the boats refused to go through the necessary check points needed to enter Gaza, and when the boats were searched they found weapons. Had Israel not done with there would be more weapons in Gaza and in the hands of the Hamas terrorists. If anything the world should be praising Israel for preventing terrorist from being supplied and for doing the military action necessary to protect their citizens.
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    Re: World condemns Gaza flotilla raid, Israel says aid convoy 'had weapons on board'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I don't think they sailed in hopes they would be shot and killed by Israelis.
    Nope. As I see it, there are three potential reasons why they sailed:
    A: They wanted to deliver illegal weapons to the Gaza Strip.
    B: They wanted to shoot and kill Israelis.
    C: They wanted to draw attention to their cause by intentionally creating an incident.

    These are the only three explanations that make any sense, and none of them exactly paint a picture of an innocent flotilla being attacked without provocation.
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