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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    They should imprison GW Bush for starting a war on false information before they do anything on this EXTREMELY weak BS. This is the crap Hannity and the other salespeople beat their drums about and poison the minds of Americans. SImply because for a republican Obama = bad. No matter what. If Obama is doing good things, make him look bad, if he isnt doing anything, make him look bad, and if he really is doing something bad, make him look bad.

    This BS in AMerica must stop. We as a Country waste FAR too much time and energy on spin-politics. On propaganda.
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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obama can.
    Can't he?
    Oops!.
    It seems even republican experts agree, that nothing illegal happened, thus just another excuse to attack Obama... for anything.

    Law prof Hasen slams Fox's "breathless" Sestak coverage, dismantles criminality arguments
    Hasen: "The coverage that I've seen" on Fox has been "pretty breathless," but allegations "much ado about nothing." During an interview on Fox's On the Record immediately following the Hannity program, Loyola law professor Richard Hasen commented, "The coverage that I've seen on your network sounds pretty breathless. It seems to me that this is really much ado about nothing."
    Hasen: "I can't find a case" where statute "has ever been applied in this way." Discussing 18 U.S.C. § 600,

    Hasen stated: HASEN: I went back and looked at this Section 600, the one that says about these job offers. That seems to be a statute that's really aimed at preventing patronage appointments. That is, you know, giving people who have done political favors for you jobs where they make money. I can't find a case where it's ever been applied in this way, and I think there are some good reasons why it probably shouldn't be. What we have here, really, is a political deal. It's a deal to say in order to strengthen the party, one of the two people competing should step aside. It's the kind of thing that happens all the time, and it's the kind of thing that probably is not what the statute was really designed to prevent.
    Justice Department Public Integrity lawyer Zeidenberg: "Horrible precedent" to treat "horsetrading" "in the criminal context." In a May 25 post, Talking Points Memo's Zachary Roth quoted Peter Zeidenberg, a former federal prosecutor with the Justice Department's Public Integrity unit, saying "Talk about criminalizing the political process!... It would be horrible precedent if what really truly is political horsetrading were viewed in the criminal context of: is this a corrupt bribe?"

    Bush political director Kaufman: "Tell me a White House that didn't do this, back to George Washington." The New York Times reported that Ron Kaufman, who served as President George H.W. Bush's White House political director, "said it would not be surprising for a White House to use political appointments to accomplish a political goal. 'Tell me a White House that didn't do this, back to George Washington,' Mr. Kaufman said."

    Wash. Post: "[E]thics laws do not seem designed for this circumstance." In a May 25 editorial, The Washington Post stated: "Would it be illegal? Mr. Specter said so, but ethics laws do not seem designed for this circumstance. Ordinarily, bribery takes place in the opposite direction: Government officials aren't usually the ones offering something of value. Other statutes prohibit officials from using their power to interfere in an election, or to, directly or indirectly, promise a job as 'reward for any political activity.' But these have been understood to prevent official coercion, not criminalize horse-trading."
    Hannity devotes show to discredited claim that Sestak job discussion was illegal | Media Matters for America

    To persue this simply exposes how desperate Repubs are.

    As my right wing friends like to say,
    "There's nothing to see here folks. Just move on."
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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    It seems even republican experts agree, that nothing illegal happened, thus just another excuse to attack Obama... for anything.

    Hannity devotes show to discredited claim that Sestak job discussion was illegal | Media Matters for America

    To persue this simply exposes how desperate Repubs are.

    As my right wing friends like to say,
    "There's nothing to see here folks. Just move on."
    ROTFLOL. Yuz folks is darn funny, ya'll know that, dontcha?

    Republicans are desperate???... ROTFLMFAO... we don't have an utter stooge in office, with as big a dope on deck, and the model twit in the hole. Three Strikes Law should apply here... LOL

    First I would like to thank Congressman Sestak and Larry Kane for blowing this baby open, and the would further like to thank the Obama Administration for sticking their collective dicks in the ground to make it worse. They are big dicks and have made a big hole to slither out of...LOL

    What Media Matters deep mining operation brings to the surface is meaningless.
    What matters is 18 USC 600 and what Congressman Sestak stated so freely and quickly in February.
    Add to that what their twit lawyer team came out with on Friday.The Dumb and Dumber Administration.

    “When you get out there and say, ‘We’re going to do things totally different, we’re above all this and we’re going to be totally transparent,’ they cause their own problem because they’re not being transparent.”

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    Can you say "Horse-Hockey"?
    The Dems opened the door wide with Bob Bauer's statement before the long weekend.
    Sometimes you just have to thank God for moronic enemies (and these folks are enemies of the people).

    White House admits effort to keep Sestak out of Senate Race

    White House admits effort to keep Sestak out of Senate race - CNN.com
    DUMB!

    Low-level, mid-level, high-level... doesn't matter a whit.
    What matters is Sestak (plus those that drove the bargain) and 18 USC 600.

    When Mr. Gibbs was pressed on the matter Thursday, he resolutely referred to his original statement exonerating the White House and refused to elaborate.

    “But you never really explained what the conversation was,” said Jake Tapper of ABC News.

    “And I don’t have anything to add today,” Mr. Gibbs said.

    “But,” Mr. Tapper continued, “if the White House offers a congressman a position in the administration in order to convince that congressman not to run for office ...”

    “I don’t have anything to add to that,” Mr. Gibbs said.

    Mr. Tapper persisted: “But do you really think the American people don’t have a right to know about what exactly the conversation was?”

    “I don’t have anything to add to what I said in March,” Mr. Gibbs said.

    The White House had nothing more to say Monday. David Axelrod, the president’s senior adviser, said on CNN, “I don’t think any questions will be left unanswered on this,”
    Did they hire a parrot as Press Secretary? Seems so.
    And I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to addAnd I don’t have anything to add
    Hmmm. Lots of very simple questions left unanswered.
    What was that quote by Obama above... ROTFLMFAO...

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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    The only reason this is still kicking is because Obama's team handled it so poorly. They acted like they had something to hid so, the Repubs' talking heads have run with it. Hell, it they act guilty, the Repukes can use the distraction to maybe discredit, or put off, the real work Obama has to do.

    It's obvious this statute was not written for this situation. There was no quid pro quo here. This is truly "politics as usual". Your Trickle Down Ronnie did it. Your treasonist hero dubya did it.

    Enjoy it while it lasts. It's all you guys have. Another window into just how sad Republicans truly are these days.
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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    [B]The only reason this is still kicking is because Obama's team handled it so poorly.
    Handled it poorly?

    I guess you could say admitting to a felony is handling it poorly.
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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The only reason this is still kicking is because Obama's team handled it so poorly. They acted like they had something to hid so, the Repubs' talking heads have run with it. Hell, it they act guilty, the Repukes can use the distraction to maybe discredit, or put off, the real work Obama has to do.

    It's obvious this statute was not written for this situation. There was no quid pro quo here. This is truly "politics as usual". Your Trickle Down Ronnie did it. Your treasonist hero dubya did it.

    Enjoy it while it lasts. It's all you guys have. Another window into just how sad Republicans truly are these days.
    Ed Rendell told us how it is done.
    It is not how Obama did it.

    Hence a full load hit the fan...
    Hence it took the White House 15 hours to respond to Larry Kane's question...
    Hence the Shock and Awe from Larry Kane...
    Hence the months of delay hoping it would go away with the assistance of their media buddies......
    Hence the lame response from Sestek after months of answering... WHITE HOUSE JOB OFFER, and I AM HONEST
    Hence the dumping a response (admission of guilt) before the long weekend...

    I think a lot of Bitter Clingers are watching and wondering why Obi (aka Mr. Transparent) and his Boyz are being so coy now.

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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Handled it poorly?

    I guess you could say admitting to a felony is handling it poorly. :lmao
    But again, Crunchy, what law has been broken? What "promise", directly or indirectly, was made to Congressman Sestek if he dropped out of the PA Democratic Senate race? Show me where former Pres. Clinton actually made an assurance to Congressman Sestek guaranteeing him a White House position and I will jump on that impeachment bandwagon same as I'd jump on that NBC bandwagon. Provide the proof!

    A job offer is different from a promise - a guarantee - for said job. Sure, it's splitting hairs, but that's the grey area the law provides. It's the same as Rush saying "he'd move to Costa Rica." It's not what he meant, but it certainly trumped reality. Same here. The only reasons this issue has gained so much traction is because:

    a) the current political fallout from the gulf oil spill;

    b) Sestek continued to talk about it especially as the PA Democratic primaries began to really take off; and,

    c) Obama's promise of transparency and changing the culture of DC.

    Without these situations the Sestek issue becomes a non-issue much as it was before the PA Primaries. The irony is it seems the Republican party has latched onto the so-called Democratic montra, "Never waste a good crisis."
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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    we don't have an utter stooge in office.
    Right, not anymore...
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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But again, Crunchy, what law has been broken? What "promise", directly or indirectly, was made to Congressman Sestek if he dropped out of the PA Democratic Senate race? Show me where former Pres. Clinton actually made an assurance to Congressman Sestek guaranteeing him a White House position and I will jump on that impeachment bandwagon same as I'd jump on that NBC bandwagon. Provide the proof!

    A job offer is different from a promise - a guarantee - for said job. Sure, it's splitting hairs, but that's the grey area the law provides. It's the same as Rush saying "he'd move to Costa Rica." It's not what he meant, but it certainly trumped reality. Same here. The only reasons this issue has gained so much traction is because:

    a) the current political fallout from the gulf oil spill;

    b) Sestek continued to talk about it especially as the PA Democratic primaries began to really take off; and,

    c) Obama's promise of transparency and changing the culture of DC.

    Without these situations the Sestek issue becomes a non-issue much as it was before the PA Primaries. The irony is it seems the Republican party has latched onto the so-called Democratic montra, "Never waste a good crisis."
    But again unobjective voice, we have Sestek's own words...... he was offered a "high level job" to leave the election. We have the White house statement confirming that Sestek was telling the truth for the last few months, regardless of the spin they are trying to give it. We have a direct violation of 18 USC 600 that doesn't leave much wiggle room for Bill, Rahm, and Barry whether it was a job or an unpaid position. We have the White house statement that admits to a felony..... read it yourself in the context of 18 USC 600.

    What we don't have yet is a special prosecutor, and if one isn't appointed willingly by this administration, they will be tried in the court of public opinion and that will be reflected in the polls next November.

    This is even more blatant bribery than what went on in the Obamacare vote….. That too is going to be remembered come November.
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    Re: Sestak White House scandal called 'impeachable offense'

    I have been following this thead, and now I will make my comment. I will not defend Obama for what he did, as some of his defenders are doing, but I will not blow everything out of proportion either, like some others are doing.

    Here is the crux of the law - Any offer given must have an intrinsic value to it. Clinton's offer to get Sestak to drop out of the race was an UNPAID position, and that is the key here. This is not any more an impeachable offense than Ronald Regan making the exact same kind of an offer to Senator Hayakawa in 1982. It was completely legal then, and it is still completely legal now.

    However, having said that, what about the ethics angle? I believe that this attempt to get Sestak to drop out is highly unethical. Of course, Obama can point the finger at Reagan if he wants to, but it does not change the fact that Obama did something that he had promised to clean up, while running for president - That is, the culture of corruption in Washington. Now that he has been in office a while, we see that Obama is now part of the establishment, not any kind of an outsider who is going to change things. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    You know, a lot of Republicans are calling this Obama's achilles heel, but I beg to differ with them. The achilles heel belongs to the Republican party, and it is the GOP which has shot themselves in the foot, once again. Republicans could have been honest in the portrayal of this incident, and would have had excellent ammunition to use against Obama. But, like the deather issue they repeatedly raised during the health care debate, they have made up the rules as they went along, and as a result, there is a real danger that an otherwise viable complaint will be lumped in with the deathers and birthers.

    You can give credit to the GOP for health care passing. They lied about it so much, when they could have told the truth, which might have led to the bill's defeat. Now the same thing may very well happen to the issue of Obama's ethical lapses. A clear issue may very well become just another band of white noise, and nobody will listen. If the issue of Obama's lack of ethics never gets to first base, you can give credit to the GOP for that too. Two outs and the bases loaded, and Republicans pop out into foul territory once again.
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