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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ahhh... no. You are presenting a position of punishment.
    How so? Would it be fair to tax the poor and middle class more? It seems logical to tax those who have more and are financially stable enough to pay.

    If many of these guys can spend over $100 on fancy meals, why can't they help foot the bill for New Jersey?
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How so? Would it be fair to tax the poor and middle class more? It seems logical to tax those who have more and are financially stable enough to pay.

    If many of these guys can spend over $100 on fancy meals, why can't they help foot the bill for New Jersey?
    if you don't tax those who use most of the government services, they have no incentive to conserve those services. if people pay no income tax, their votes are easily bought by those who promise them more social spending that others pay for.



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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you don't tax those who use most of the government services, they have no incentive to conserve those services. if people pay no income tax, their votes are easily bought by those who promise them more social spending that others pay for.
    So the poor and middle class should pay more because they use more social services?

    In that case they would be more of a purchased product instead of a social service.

    The government allocates the funds, it's not like they can write checks how any amount they want to waste at the government's expense.

    All I'm saying is that the millionaires have the money at their comfortable disposal to pay more in taxes.

    New Jersey is financially hurting and something must be done.

    Why should a higher tax burden be put upon those who can't afford to pay? Especially during this time of economic crisis.
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm still not cynical enough to think that the majority of citizens in NJ will punish Christie for doing what he stated he would do, and for the reasons he's doing it.
    Wait and see. Maybe you're right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    IF he continues to do what he's doing - he'll be rewarded because a door knob knows we cannot raise taxes on people stressed for decades with high taxes, during this economy, and with a 33 billion dollar budget deficit grown over decades.
    That 33 billion dollar deficit is exactly why New Jersey needs to raise taxes at the same time that it cuts programs. I'm not familiar with New Jersey politics, so what programs is Governor Christie proposing to cut?

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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Why would you be FOR this???
    Do you understand that republicans are just as bad if not WORSE than demon-rats on spending!??!
    The Gov aint chopping any programs now is he??
    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Isn't Christie himself a wealthy man? Possible a millionaire? New Jersey is in tons of debt and he vetoed a bill that would help reduce that debt by having people with the ability to pay go free. What he did was fiscally irresponsible and bad for New Jersey. The man runs on cutting costs and reducing the debt, but he is unwilling to raise taxes or tax those who are most able to pay.
    At the same time that he vetoed this tax increase, he also vetoed a property tax rebate, aka new spending.
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How so? Would it be fair to tax the poor and middle class more? It seems logical to tax those who have more and are financially stable enough to pay.

    If many of these guys can spend over $100 on fancy meals, why can't they help foot the bill for New Jersey?
    Why should they foot more of the bill just because they can "afford it"?
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This was not about supporting Christie. It was about NOT supporting the idiot teachers unions who didn't agree to salary freezes. Even Christie, when supporting the rejection of school funding said this.

    Rejecting the teachers unions does not necessarily equate to supporting Christie.
    I'll disagree.. the referendum identified the voters were not willing to increase their taxes to support more funding of the schools for a variety of reasons. In my own district and township, they wanted at first 9 million for a new gym, air conditioning, and solar panels. That was voted down. Then they came back 2 months later for 11.2 million and added parking, a new roof, a new heater plus the former items. Voted down. Then finally they got the message and split the amount and dropped some stuff - so it was 2.8 million for just the "necessities" and a separate voted on item for the gym, solar panels, roof and air conditioning. BOTH voted down.

    At the end of this was a rejection to increased taxes to pay for the borrowed money. All throughout, teachers unions were told they have to give up some things and start paying because the state is $33 billion in debt.

    Hence, why you're view of raising taxes is frankly... ludicrous. We just heard from voters saying very clearly, succinctly and loudly: NO. Something the unions, assembly liberals and teachers apparently do not yet understand - to their detriment.

    On this one issue, Christie does have the support of the voters. That does not translate into all issues of course.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Why should they foot more of the bill just because they can "afford it"?
    Well because they're successful and according to NJ State liberals ... they owe the rest of us. Why? Well, because they do... that's the best reason they can come up with.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    NJ residents are already some of the most heavily taxed people in the nation. Raising taxes more will do more harm than good.
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So the poor and middle class should pay more because they use more social services?

    In that case they would be more of a purchased product instead of a social service.

    The government allocates the funds, it's not like they can write checks how any amount they want to waste at the government's expense.

    All I'm saying is that the millionaires have the money at their comfortable disposal to pay more in taxes.

    New Jersey is financially hurting and something must be done.

    Why should a higher tax burden be put upon those who can't afford to pay? Especially during this time of economic crisis.
    Maybe instead of debating who should pay the debate should be on what we are paying for.

    You may also want to think about the long term consequences of taxing " millionaires" versus the short term gain. A lot of rich wall street types moved to NJ to escape the high taxes in NY. If CT was smart they would LOWER taxes on " millionaires" and attract those folks from NJ. I would be very happy to have them move to my state and pay fair taxes.

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