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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I've been dealing with that on and off my entire life. Nothing new there if it occurs. Liberals have been ruining this state for 30 + years, if in 2013 the people want to finish the job and vote that way, it's their own funeral. Even Christie is only one guy - he can't fix an entire state worth of stupid by himself.
    Nah, we had Whitman for a while... thank goodness only for a while. We also had Kean, and though not one of my favorites, he wasn't so bad. Of course Corzine and Byrne were pretty sucky. And Christie is just another version of stupid from the Legislature.
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

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    YOu are a funny man

    yes, most rich people are smarter than most poor people

    not all but generally yes

    you throw out partisan hack when you don't like the answers people give you

    and you haven't come close to trying to rebut the fact that high tax rates cause industrious people to leave the high tax areas

    do you know what country really has the strongest tennis team in the world

    its called MONTE CARLO

    you might look who has lived there

    most of the top Swedes in the glory days of Swedish tennis

    Many of the eastern bloc lady stars

    Tommy Haas-Germany's best player over the last 15 years

    ABBA once lived there
    I throw out partisan hack when it applies, And your posting fits the bill as classically as any I've seen. A good way to change that perception is to change the presentation. An example of this is your straw man around "high tax rates". Never said it. It would be a good idea if you took those blinders off.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Isn't Christie himself a wealthy man? Possible a millionaire?
    Not that I know of... he was the AG so if he has money he inherited it. Corzine the former Governor and former CEO of Goldman Sachs, was and is worth a reported $300 million. I can find nothing specific about Christie's personal wealth and being wealthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    New Jersey is in tons of debt and he vetoed a bill that would help reduce that debt by having people with the ability to pay go free. What he did was fiscally irresponsible and bad for New Jersey. The man runs on cutting costs and reducing the debt, but he is unwilling to raise taxes or tax those who are most able to pay.
    For the same reasons I've stated to CC -- however NJ is negative in growth meaning, people have been leaving this state. We already have the highest taxes, highest property taxes, and pay the most in overall taxes in the country --- so why soak the people who have the money and force them to also leave the state when keeping them here will keep their money and businesses here and help? It's not like we can force these millionaires to stay in this state. Which is exactly what's been happening:

    N.J. loses $70B in wealth during five years as residents depart | - NJ.com
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nah, we had Whitman for a while... thank goodness only for a while. We also had Kean, and though not one of my favorites, he wasn't so bad. Of course Corzine and Byrne were pretty sucky. And Christie is just another version of stupid from the Legislature.
    Both weren't so bad to you because they played liberal ball and did basically what the democrats in the state told them to do. But that's not happening with Christie - which is why those same institutional liberals are whining.

    Seem fairly simple.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Not sure why the liberals can't get behind it - Christie's simply doing what Obama said we all have to do --- sacrifice and tighten our belts.
    Because sacrifice and tightening our belts is difficult. That's why Democrats always vote to increase spending and Republicans always vote to reduce taxes-- because doing the opposite doesn't get you re-elected.

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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It is after 30 years of debt spending.
    Which is not what I am suggesting. Try to attend to what I am saying, not you want to attack. The two are not compatible.

    Describe why it's FAR too damaging? And didn't the school system have the opportunity to take pay freezes and reduce the impact on their own and didn't the NJ teachers unions vote against it? He gave them the choice and they chose... now they get cut. It's a valuable lesson in consequences and a "teachable moment".
    If this only affected the teachers, I would have no problem with it. Teachers unions, once critical to the protection of teachers' rights have become bloated bureaucracies that often do far more harm then good. What Christie is doing, however, is impacting the children who go to these schools, a far greater number of people than teachers. It's like telling you to tighten your belt, and when you refuse, starving your kids to teach you a lesson. What he's doing is either plain stupid, vengeful, or both.


    Taxes have already been raised. Sales tax was increased to 7%, fuel taxes were increased, parkway and turnpike increases have been going up to cover shortfalls, liquor tax, property reassessments and increased property taxes just occurred last year. Here's a little fact to mix with our views:


    The Tax Foundation - Tax Research Areas > New Jersey

    NJ Taxes 1977 - Present
    The Tax Foundation - New Jersey's State and Local Tax Burden, 1977-2008

    So let me tell you - you want to pay more taxes, be my guest. Next year make sure to donate more to the State for those schools. As for me, if mom and dad want the kiddies to have all the same perks they can pull out their check books and pay out of pocket. The bottom line CC is, state wide, the voters voted DOWN the increases to the schools in a major way. And the teachers unions had the opportunity to avoid that but chose not to. The folks that you claim are pissed off are NOT in the majority and in my view, do not reflect the conservative view of someone who's also (me) lived all my private citizen life in NJ.
    I am aware of the taxes in the state, both sales and other. I do not agree with an extreme position in either situation: just tax or just cut. There needs to be a mix. And with the situation the state is in, when one says "tighten your belt" it may mean paying more, also. It is irresponsible to cut programs that are helpful and needed in the long term, to look "pretty". If Christie was in it for the long haul, he would have some sort of long-term plan. Cutting programs the way he is just makes things look good on paper. There's more going on here than just the bottom line.



    Hell, I'm a purist Progressive liberal commie hippy with 19 kids. And I like Christie. Make sure to anecdotally mention me to your liberal friends.
    Heck, I'm a greedy, rich, conservative who lives in a mansion and owns a yacht. And I can't stand Christie. Make sure to anecdotally mention me to your conservative friends.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Both weren't so bad to you because they played liberal ball and did basically what the democrats in the state told them to do. But that's not happening with Christie - which is why those same institutional liberals are whining.

    Seem fairly simple.
    No, both weren't so bad because they were moderates and saw the big picture, unlike Christie who isn't and doesn't... which is probably why you like him.

    Seems fairly simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In a time of economic crisis those who are the most stable should be the ones to pay.

    Millionaires have the money, and New Jersey needs it.

    To answer your question, I would say they should have a lot of rich people pay some tax, and the richer people should pay even more.

    And who says I'm pretending? I have always been an independent and now I realize that liberalism just makes more sense.

    I would rather have people we elect rule over us then have corporate business rule.

    People have the right to change their belief's as they grow intellectually.
    complete and utter bovine excrement. people should pay for what they use. The from each according to their ability is crap. growing intellectually means casting off the childish ways of nanny statism.

    Your charade is hilarious though, keep it up, you are doing more to make the left look stupid than you did when you were posting as a conservative



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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Because sacrifice and tightening our belts is difficult. That's why Democrats always vote to increase spending and Republicans always vote to reduce taxes-- because doing the opposite doesn't get you re-elected.
    the end result of the right is far better than the end result of the left



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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I throw out partisan hack when it applies, And your posting fits the bill as classically as any I've seen. A good way to change that perception is to change the presentation. An example of this is your straw man around "high tax rates". Never said it. It would be a good idea if you took those blinders off.

    I see far more than you ever will CC. I am much smarter than you are



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