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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Wrong. Man is a social creature, and throughout history has always gravitated to function in groups.
    Oh boy, here we go again!

    Working in a "group" is not a collective. Individualism does not preclude the Group. I said COLLECTIVE. Not groups.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Depends on degree. I work with MANY school systems, and am hearing about the programs/facilities being cut. It's like amputating an arm to treat an infection. Clean the wound, treat it with anti-biotics FIRST.
    The PROBLEM with the school system is it's a monopoly without competition.

    End that, and you will see huge benefits in terms of cost, and end product.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think you can. the fact is rich people are smarter-for the most part-than the people who vote in parasite-pandering politicians. They will move if the cost of living in a state is too high. That is why Texas is gaining millionaires and places like Kalifornia, NY and NJ are leaking them
    Oh, I can. I seriously doubt that YOU can. Look how you addressed the issue; you didn't. I do not support the "millionaire's tax". I already said that. Fact is, rich people are not necessarily smarter; they just have more influence because they're rich. That's about the only difference, overall.

    what are the parasites going to do when the gravy train has pulled up the rails and left town.
    Ah... I see you still want to keep up with the partisan hackery. OK. They won't. Fortunately, the greedy are also human, and as social beings, they'll bitch and complain, but take their medicine like they always do. Find loopholes, but generally play along.

    Are you done yet, because if not, I can play the partisan hack game with you forever. How about actually addressing what is being said.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I never forget that and I still want and support and hope for more cuts that Christie is proposing. So it affects you. You deal with it and move on. Because we live in a society doesn't mean society trumps individuals - quite the contrary.
    And I don't forget it either, so in 2013, when Christie gets voted out, and all that you support is changed. So it affects you. And then you can deal with it and move on. Individuals only have power as a group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh boy, here we go again!

    Working in a "group" is not a collective. Individualism does not preclude the Group. I said COLLECTIVE. Not groups.
    And I never mentioned a collective. Collective is "conservative-speak" for socialism, a straw man and a misrepresentation to anything I am saying. So try not to do that.




    The PROBLEM with the school system is it's a monopoly without competition.

    End that, and you will see huge benefits in terms of cost, and end product.
    From both a consistency and a standardized position, I support this "monopoly". That does not mean I support how it is currently being run. There should be major efficiency and regulatory changes, starting with the ability to get rid of poor teachers regardless of tenure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Just like Democrats who only want to look at taxing things to solve the problem, all Christie seems to want to do is cut things. It's not a solution.
    It is after 30 years of debt spending.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I have no problem with cutting waste and teachers paying into their health benefits; most of us do, so why not them. My problem is that his cuts are FAR too damaging to the educational system, cutting many helpful and positive programs. Big mistake, as it hurts our youth... who will soon vote.
    Describe why it's FAR too damaging? And didn't the school system have the opportunity to take pay freezes and reduce the impact on their own and didn't the NJ teachers unions vote against it? He gave them the choice and they chose... now they get cut. It's a valuable lesson in consequences and a "teachable moment".


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Raising taxes, or raising the sales tax which I would be more inclined to support, along with cutting waste, would bring in some of the extra money the state needs. And he wouldn't be alienating a entire voter base.
    Taxes have already been raised. Sales tax was increased to 7%, fuel taxes were increased, parkway and turnpike increases have been going up to cover shortfalls, liquor tax, property reassessments and increased property taxes just occurred last year. Here's a little fact to mix with our views:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tax Foundation
    New Jersey's State/Local Tax Burden Highest in Nation
    Estimated at 11.8% of income, New Jersey's state/local tax burden percentage is the highest in the country, well above the national average of 9.7%. New Jersey taxpayers pay $6,610 per capita in state and local taxes.
    The Tax Foundation - Tax Research Areas > New Jersey

    NJ Taxes 1977 - Present
    The Tax Foundation - New Jersey's State and Local Tax Burden, 1977-2008

    So let me tell you - you want to pay more taxes, be my guest. Next year make sure to donate more to the State for those schools. As for me, if mom and dad want the kiddies to have all the same perks they can pull out their check books and pay out of pocket. The bottom line CC is, state wide, the voters voted DOWN the increases to the schools in a major way. And the teachers unions had the opportunity to avoid that but chose not to. The folks that you claim are pissed off are NOT in the majority and in my view, do not reflect the conservative view of someone who's also (me) lived all my private citizen life in NJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Lots of men I know, who identify as conservatives, and who support most conservative positions, want to kill him. Most of these folks are parents and are not happy with what is happening in the schools.
    Hell, I'm a purist Progressive liberal commie hippy with 19 kids. And I like Christie. Make sure to anecdotally mention me to your liberal friends.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Oh, I can. I seriously doubt that YOU can. Look how you addressed the issue; you didn't. I do not support the "millionaire's tax". I already said that. Fact is, rich people are not necessarily smarter; they just have more influence because they're rich. That's about the only difference, overall.



    Ah... I see you still want to keep up with the partisan hackery. OK. They won't. Fortunately, the greedy are also human, and as social beings, they'll bitch and complain, but take their medicine like they always do. Find loopholes, but generally play along.

    Are you done yet, because if not, I can play the partisan hack game with you forever. How about actually addressing what is being said.
    YOu are a funny man

    yes, most rich people are smarter than most poor people

    not all but generally yes

    you throw out partisan hack when you don't like the answers people give you

    and you haven't come close to trying to rebut the fact that high tax rates cause industrious people to leave the high tax areas

    do you know what country really has the strongest tennis team in the world

    its called MONTE CARLO

    you might look who has lived there

    most of the top Swedes in the glory days of Swedish tennis

    Many of the eastern bloc lady stars

    Tommy Haas-Germany's best player over the last 15 years

    ABBA once lived there



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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Isn't Christie himself a wealthy man? Possible a millionaire? New Jersey is in tons of debt and he vetoed a bill that would help reduce that debt by having people with the ability to pay go free. What he did was fiscally irresponsible and bad for New Jersey. The man runs on cutting costs and reducing the debt, but he is unwilling to raise taxes or tax those who are most able to pay.
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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

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    Isn't Christie himself a wealthy man? Possible a millionaire? New Jersey is in tons of debt and he vetoed a bill that would help reduce that debt by having people with the ability to pay go free. What he did was fiscally irresponsible and bad for New Jersey. The man runs on cutting costs and reducing the debt, but he is unwilling to raise taxes or tax those who are most able to pay.
    whats better, having a lot of rich people pay some tax or a lot less rich people pay more tax?

    how long are you gonna pretend to be a socialist?



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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And I don't forget it either, so in 2013, when Christie gets voted out, and all that you support is changed. So it affects you. And then you can deal with it and move on. Individuals only have power as a group.
    I've been dealing with that on and off my entire life. Nothing new there if it occurs. Liberals have been ruining this state for 30 + years, if in 2013 the people want to finish the job and vote that way, it's their own funeral. Even Christie is only one guy - he can't fix an entire state worth of stupid by himself.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: N.J. Gov. Chris Christie swiftly vetoes 'millionaires tax,' property tax rebate b

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    whats better, having a lot of rich people pay some tax or a lot less rich people pay more tax?

    how long are you gonna pretend to be a socialist?
    In a time of economic crisis those who are the most stable should be the ones to pay.

    Millionaires have the money, and New Jersey needs it.

    To answer your question, I would say they should have a lot of rich people pay some tax, and the richer people should pay even more.

    And who says I'm pretending? I have always been an independent and now I realize that liberalism just makes more sense.

    I would rather have people we elect rule over us then have corporate business rule.

    People have the right to change their belief's as they grow intellectually.
    Last edited by digsbe; 05-22-10 at 09:22 PM.
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