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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    There in lay the difference.. you expect all things equal regardless of effort or achievement.. everybody gets a trophy.. it's all about the Common Good..

    We can agree you don not HAVE to call it socialism, nor the President and his ilk. we can agree though it is clearly Marxist-totalitarianism!

    "from one according to their ability to those according to need"
    "Spread the wealth"
    "until everyone's house is equal"
    "Social Justice, not Equal-Justice!"
    " Give THEM the MONEY,, give THEM the MONEY"

    You can call it what you want.. it is a sad day for last stand of liberty in the world and many of you support it and defend it.. even more sad!
    Where have I said any of this. Seriously, stop spewing partisan nonsense and actually address what is being said.

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Quote Originally Posted by Whigfield View Post
    How can you expect a 10 year old child to be "Personally Responsible"? You are just lucky that the roll of the dice made you male, white and from a middle-class American family. Another roll of the dice, it could have been much different. There is the problem. Why are we penalising people for things they cannot change?

    I thinks its in everyone's self-interest that all members of society can have a level start in life and then rise and fall on their merits.
    In as few words as possible, I was speaking to personal responsibility exhibited by those that don't become government reliant brood mares if they cannot afford to create a "proper" environment and foundation for success of their offspring.

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Yes, but that is not the choice of the child. The child does not have a choice where they are raised and it is the duty of society and the state that every child has an equal opportunity in life. Otherwise, its just classism and its damaging to the economy, societial relations and government spending. Additionally, its unjust and unfair.
    "Frukta mindre, hoppas mer, ät mindre, tugga mer, Gnäll mindre, andas mer, prata mindre, säg mer, älska mer, och alla goda ting kommer att bli din" - Swedish Proverb

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Quote Originally Posted by Whigfield View Post
    Yes, but that is not the choice of the child....
    ....Additionally, its unjust and unfair.
    I agree. it is unjust and unfair for those wollowing in abject, generational poverty to continue bringing the same misery on their innocent offspring.

    I agree. It is unjust and unfair to society to procreate when one cannot afford to feed themselves, and then expects...no DEMANDS public aid to take up where personal responsibility left off...

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    I agree. it is unjust and unfair for those wollowing in abject, generational poverty to continue bringing the same misery on their innocent offspring.

    I agree. It is unjust and unfair to society to procreate when one cannot afford to feed themselves, and then expects...no DEMANDS public aid to take up where personal responsibility left off...
    It's just a bunch of trash isn't it?

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Poverty creates poverty and leans to higher birth rates. Why do you think the "North" has low birth rates and the "Global South" has high birth rates?

    Best way to tackle both problems is help bring this and the next generation out of systemic poverty.
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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    [QUOTE=Whigfield;1058772969]Poverty creates poverty and leans to higher birth rates. Why do you think the "North" has low birth rates and the "Global South" has high birth rates?

    Best way to tackle both problems is help bring this and the next generation out of systemic poverty.[QUOTE]

    How do you plan to do that?
    Last edited by webrockk; 05-26-10 at 03:23 PM.

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It's just a bunch of trash isn't it?
    not trash....ignorance enabled and sustained by government.

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    not trash....ignorance enabled and sustained by government.
    ignorance enabled and sustained by trash parents.

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    Re: Sugarcoating Socialism the French Way

    Quote Originally Posted by Whigfield View Post
    That is total hogwash. The idea of the Cadilliac welfare mom has been debunked over and over again. Scholars such as Conley in Wealth and Poverty in America have demonstrated that poverty in the United States is systemic and cyclical because of the lack of access to the tools to exit poverty.

    Foodstamps and welfare are barely subsistence mechanisms in the US. I personally don't know how people live on it.
    Well speaking as someone who has trudged through literally hundreds of section-8 units.. how was it put ... oh yeah.. HOGWASH!

    A GOOD 80% of these units have larger TVs than I do.....
    more than half have stereos FAR better than my yardsale-bookshelf system..
    more pre-noon beers in a single day than I had seen in my entire life prior..
    Some of those you speak of need the help.. most are just mindless, generational slaves to the DNC..

    Save the Marxist, elitist literature for the birdcage where it is best suited for duty!
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