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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sadly for you, I didn't take issue with any of that.

    I asked you where the Constitution states that there is a presumption of innocence. You have failed to provide a citation to that effect.

    End of discussion.
    Actually not at all. Of course, there is a presumption of innocence, if the Constitution says that the accused MUST be charged, and there MUST be a trial, before the accused is deprived of life, liberty, or property.

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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I can't find that provision.
    In other words, according to you, we are allowed to assassinate American citizens on suspicion?
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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In other words, according to you, we are allowed to assassinate American citizens on suspicion?



    no d00d, I'm asking questions.



    I think, if we have him on tape/film whatever acting like the enemy... Then there can be cases in absentia...

    Of course if he's caught in the commission of shooting at us, or trying to blow stuff up..... That absentia could be after he's achieved room tempurature from a few new orifices placed in and about his body from a few 5.56's
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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually not at all.
    Actually, completely.

    Presumption of innocence is not found anywhere in the Constitution, contrary to your assertion. If you disagree, you may cite the text.

    Of course, there is a presumption of innocence, if the Constitution says that the accused MUST be charged, and there MUST be a trial, before the accused is deprived of life, liberty, or property.
    None of these things necessitate a presumption of innocence -- each of them could be in place just as easily with the presumption of guilt.

    Now, admit you made a mistake and move on.
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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Which U.S. Citizens have been assassinated without trial? Could we see a list?


    And what is the difference between Extrajudicial Killing, Combat, and Assassination?

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    Thumbs up Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    ... as I've stated before, the right to a trial is contingent on compliance with the law. Just as police kill armed and dangerous people who will not comply with the order to surrender, so are U.S. citizens hiding among enemies of the United States incurring a risk of death. Obama has no obligation to leave these citizens alone, just because they have chosen to hide among terrorists, or to put Special Forces into mortal jeopardy in order to capture them and bring them in for trial.

    The only way for Obama to be "Hitler" is if he orders these citizens to be killed after they try to surrender to him.
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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... as I've stated before, the right to a trial is contingent on compliance with the law. Just as police kill armed and dangerous people who will not comply with the order to surrender, so are U.S. citizens hiding among enemies of the United States incurring a risk of death. Obama has no obligation to leave these citizens alone, just because they have chosen to hide among terrorists, or to put Special Forces into mortal jeopardy in order to capture them and bring them in for trial.

    The only way for Obama to be "Hitler" is if he orders these citizens to be killed after they try to surrender to him.
    Wait, what? The right to trial only applies to people who haven't broken the law?
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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wait, what? The right to trial only applies to people who haven't broken the law?
    Bingo. You got it, by posing the right question. Let's see if someone can answer THAT - LOL.
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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Wait, could we get back to my questions first:

    Which U.S. Citizens have been assassinated without trial? Could we see a list?


    And what is the difference between Extrajudicial Killing, Combat, and Assassination?

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    Re: Kucinich Legislation Would End the Extrajudicial Killing of U.S. Citizens

    Good for him. This killing has gotten out of hand.

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