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As it relates what I've said, the home owner has the responsibility to make sure the home is free from known hazards. There are always exemptions, such as the presence of oxygen tanks and construction, but the rule holds for normal every day life.
Gun-free zones are hazards, so if you want one you should have to apply for a permit.
Also, as I said, if it looked like the situation was escalating to that point I'd grab my kids and leave even if they were buck naked.
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I don't normally wait in the car when I pick them up so this would be no different.
And he's trying to do so by asking someone in a known domestic situation not to enter his home while armed.As it relates what I've said, the home owner has the responsibility to make sure the home is free from known hazards. There are always exemptions, such as the presence of oxygen tanks and construction, but the rule holds for normal every day life.
By threateni9ng that person with a gun when they make the choice to become an armed intruder, he's taking an active stance in removing said hazard.
Ex-husbands with guns who are actively involved in domestic are known hazards as well. An even greater hazard than a gun-free zone.Gun-free zones are hazards, so if you want one you should have to apply for a permit.
The homeowner has a responsibility to his children, which means not letting an irate and armed ex-husband into his home.Me, and my children, which is why I wouldn't leave them in a house filled with people drinking, especially when one or more are waving around a firearm.
But why would you escalate the situation in the first place?Also, as I said, if it looked like the situation was escalating to that point I'd grab my kids and leave even if they were buck naked.
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While I may not entirely agree with Jerry in all details, I think an important distinction needs to be made between types of private property:
1. Truly private, ie home, residence, family farm, your storage shed, a high-security facility.
2. "Private" property that is actually commerical property and normally open to the public.
I have no problem with the owner banning guns from #1 if he chooses.
#2 should not be able to legally ban those with lawful carry permits from carrying their firearms, without an extremely good reason (ie volatile chemicals being processed on site, etc.)
Incidentally, if you're welcome at my home, you're welcome to come armed... I'll assume you are anyway.
(If I have reason to believe I could not trust you in my home with a gun, I don't want you in my house at all.)
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It's not the leaving that I have a problem with.
It's the leaving my children in that environment I have a problem with.
If it were just me alone, I'd leave, or go put the firearm in the car, no problem.
Once I'm on scene to collect my children, in the house, gathering them up, I'm leaving with them.
Since I didn't freak out when I walked in on my X and her boyfriend, and yes I was armed at the time, there's no reason to assume I would be irate here. Picking up my children is a pleasant event I look forward to every day.
The homeowner is the one causing problems here. I'm here to get the kids and go, nothing else.
Forget the firearms, he could not like the shirt I'm wearing. Let's say it has a political message or something. He sees it, tells me I can't wear that shirt in his house and to leave.
That's fine. I'll leave...with the kids. I'm not being defiant against him, I'm complying. I'm leaving.
Ok, so this time let's forget the firearms AND the kids. Let's say I need to get the copy our last joint tax return. X leaves it on the kitchen counter at this same house. I show up, house is open so I go in, everyone's in the back chill'n. I see my X, she tells me the file's on the counter, then the home owner sees the political message on my shirt and tells me to leave. Fine, I'm leaving....with my personal tax paperwork.
Yes, a homeowner can kick out whoever they want for whatever reason, but the person being kicked out has the right to collect their property and remove their property from your house. If you get evicted, you still have a right to go into the residence and retrieve your property. If you get fired, you still have a right to go onto company ground and into company structures to retrieve your personal property.
10x that right for children.
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