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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Exactly, and all they did was to be stupid in choosing that site. LOL.

    I can see it now. Charlton Heston, holding his dick in his hand instead of a gun, and pronouncing "From my cold dead hands". LOL.
    Most convention centers won't allow you to carry on their premises, and those that do probably couldn't handle something as large as the NRA's annual meeting. This doesn't even address all the other factors one has to think about when creating a convention.
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    If I have a sign out front that says no guns allowed and you step foot on my property with a gun I will give you one warning verbally, the next will be a bullet. You are an armed intruder at that point and in my state I have a right to shoot to kill, no questions asked.
    Not while drunk, you can't

    You don't sound very happy. In fact you sound down right worried.
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Most convention centers won't allow you to carry on their premises, and those that do probably couldn't handle something as large as the NRA's annual meeting. This doesn't even address all the other factors one has to think about when creating a convention.
    Every convention the NRA has ever had before this one had guns at it. This one shouldn't be any different.

    And no laugh from my tasteless sophomoric humor I threw in there?
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What if there was something forcing me into the building?

    Let's say my X came over with the kids for a b-day party, had a little to much to drink and is leaving with a friend. She calls me and tells me to pick up the kids.

    You don't know I'm armed when I approach because I carry concealed. Once in your home you notice something, note that it's a firearm and tell me to leave.

    Kids aren't ready and the only person I know is my drunk X.

    I'm not leaving until my kids are good to go.

    I have a right to protect my children. I have a right in the care, control and custody of my children. By trying to force me out you are trying to violate my rights.

    Not to sound like an ass, but that's something I would be willing to go to jail for. I would have no problem telling my NCO that I got arrested for trespassing because I wouldn't leave my children alone with my drunken X and a group of strangers.

    I would be cool and civil with you, but if push came to shove, I'm not abandoning my kids.
    You could go wait in the car for them.

    You could put your gun in the car until you leave.

    If you aren't willing to do either of those things, then I'm afraid you're SOL.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You have evidence that says refusing to leave someone's property when ordered to do so, while being armed yourself, is safer than doing so?

    I'd love to see that evidence.
    Well if I ever make that claim I'll be shure to source it.

    As it relates what I've said, the home owner has the responsibility to make sure the home is free from known hazards. There are always exemptions, such as the presence of oxygen tanks and construction, but the rule holds for normal every day life.

    Gun-free zones are hazards, so if you want one you should have to apply for a permit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The safer solution is to keep yourself out of situations where you can be legally shot.
    Me, and my children, which is why I wouldn't leave them in a house filled with people drinking, especially when one or more are waving around a firearm.

    Also, as I said, if it looked like the situation was escalating to that point I'd grab my kids and leave even if they were buck naked.
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You could go wait in the car for them.
    You could have them waiting outside.

    I don't normally wait in the car when I pick them up so this would be no different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You could put your gun in the car until you leave.
    You could leave your house while I was there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you aren't willing to do either of those things, then I'm afraid you're SOL.
    Well not really. I've discovered that the comfortable middle is to not let the people I'm near know or discover that I'm carrying. Everyone gets along, and life goes on.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Every convention the NRA has ever had before this one had guns at it. This one shouldn't be any different.
    It's weird, I won't deny that, but they have to pay attention to other factors. The weather in NC is pretty nice this time of year.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And no laugh from my tasteless sophomoric humor I threw in there?
    Oh no, trust me, that was great
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well if I ever make that claim I'll be shure to source it.
    You did make that claim when you said "Evidence sourced says no" in response to my question: "But isn't it safer for both you and your children to simply respect the wishes of the homeowner and return the firearm to your car?"



    As it relates what I've said, the home owner has the responsibility to make sure the home is free from known hazards. There are always exemptions, such as the presence of oxygen tanks and construction, but the rule holds for normal every day life.
    And he's trying to do so by asking someone in a known domestic situation not to enter his home while armed.

    By threateni9ng that person with a gun when they make the choice to become an armed intruder, he's taking an active stance in removing said hazard.

    Gun-free zones are hazards, so if you want one you should have to apply for a permit.
    Ex-husbands with guns who are actively involved in domestic are known hazards as well. An even greater hazard than a gun-free zone.



    Me, and my children, which is why I wouldn't leave them in a house filled with people drinking, especially when one or more are waving around a firearm.
    The homeowner has a responsibility to his children, which means not letting an irate and armed ex-husband into his home.

    Also, as I said, if it looked like the situation was escalating to that point I'd grab my kids and leave even if they were buck naked.
    But why would you escalate the situation in the first place?
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    While I may not entirely agree with Jerry in all details, I think an important distinction needs to be made between types of private property:

    1. Truly private, ie home, residence, family farm, your storage shed, a high-security facility.

    2. "Private" property that is actually commerical property and normally open to the public.

    I have no problem with the owner banning guns from #1 if he chooses.

    #2 should not be able to legally ban those with lawful carry permits from carrying their firearms, without an extremely good reason (ie volatile chemicals being processed on site, etc.)

    Incidentally, if you're welcome at my home, you're welcome to come armed... I'll assume you are anyway.

    (If I have reason to believe I could not trust you in my home with a gun, I don't want you in my house at all.)

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You did make that claim when you said "Evidence sourced says no" in response to my question: "But isn't it safer for both you and your children to simply respect the wishes of the homeowner and return the firearm to your car?"
    Not at all, in fact.

    It's not the leaving that I have a problem with.

    It's the leaving my children in that environment I have a problem with.

    If it were just me alone, I'd leave, or go put the firearm in the car, no problem.

    Once I'm on scene to collect my children, in the house, gathering them up, I'm leaving with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And he's trying to do so by asking someone in a known domestic situation not to enter his home while armed.

    By threateni9ng that person with a gun when they make the choice to become an armed intruder, he's taking an active stance in removing said hazard.
    He's the one pointing a firearm at others, not me, I'm there to collect my kids and go. If anyone is the hazard, he is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ex-husbands with guns who are actively involved in domestic are known hazards as well. An even greater hazard than a gun-free zone.
    I'm sorry, "actively involved in domestic" what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The homeowner has a responsibility to his children, which means not letting an irate and armed ex-husband into his home.
    Oh you think I'm irate throughout all this.

    Since I didn't freak out when I walked in on my X and her boyfriend, and yes I was armed at the time, there's no reason to assume I would be irate here. Picking up my children is a pleasant event I look forward to every day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But why would you escalate the situation in the first place?
    If it were up to me I'd go in, get the kids and leave. No problem.

    The homeowner is the one causing problems here. I'm here to get the kids and go, nothing else.

    Forget the firearms, he could not like the shirt I'm wearing. Let's say it has a political message or something. He sees it, tells me I can't wear that shirt in his house and to leave.

    That's fine. I'll leave...with the kids. I'm not being defiant against him, I'm complying. I'm leaving.

    Ok, so this time let's forget the firearms AND the kids. Let's say I need to get the copy our last joint tax return. X leaves it on the kitchen counter at this same house. I show up, house is open so I go in, everyone's in the back chill'n. I see my X, she tells me the file's on the counter, then the home owner sees the political message on my shirt and tells me to leave. Fine, I'm leaving....with my personal tax paperwork.

    Yes, a homeowner can kick out whoever they want for whatever reason, but the person being kicked out has the right to collect their property and remove their property from your house. If you get evicted, you still have a right to go into the residence and retrieve your property. If you get fired, you still have a right to go onto company ground and into company structures to retrieve your personal property.

    10x that right for children.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-17-10 at 07:45 PM.

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