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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Dude, it's not rape if she consents. And if a woman reads a posted sign that says, "Step onto this property and you will be ****ed", then she consents to be ****ed by way of willingly stepping onto that property knowing the "consequences".
    Hmm, good counter point.

    I suppose if I were a woman my response would be to wear a shirt stating "touch this property and you will be shot". So, I agree to be ****ed by stepping onto the property, and then when sex is attempted that's consent to end that person's life.

    Pro-gun wins again.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    So, it's not rape any more than the convention center is "forcing" you to give up your guns. If you CHOOSE to go inside, then you AGREE to leave your guns at the door. You are not forced to do anything.
    Again, a public building owner should have to demonstrate a need. A homeowner is merely being irrational but there's nothing anyone can really do.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... I think you are carrying your enthusiasm for guns too far. Obviously a person can prohibit any item they desire from entering their property, exempting those cases where due process of law (aka, search warrants) is at work.

    You lose the right to carry your gun when you step onto their property. You don't have to go onto their property.
    Property < body, so I loose my right to carry when I step out of my body.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Again, a public building owner should have to demonstrate a need. A homeowner is merely being irrational but there's nothing anyone can really do.
    No, they should not. It's their property, they need not demonstrate any damn thing at all except a desire to keep certain things off of their property. If you don't like their rules, don't go onto their property. Where is the issue here?

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Property < body, so I loose my right to carry when I step out of my body.
    You never loose your right to carry.

    You can only relinquish it by choice in order to gain access to their property.
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Hmm I see your point, my source doesn't apply, but my opinion is unchanged.

    I don't support private persons having the ability to force you to hang various rights at the door. If I invite a pregnant women over for BBQ, she does not resign her right to be free from assault when she steps onto my property. IMO the right to keep and carry is identical to the right to breath.
    As much of a gun supporter as I am, this is just not true. You have NO RIGHT to be on someone elses property, period. They are ALLOWING you onto their property. In that instance, you have to abide by their rules, period. No one is making you go on their property. If you step foot on someones land with a gun and they specifically say no guns they can deem you an immediate threat and shoot to kill.

    I can make any rule I want to on my property and you must obey or I can have you removed. You have ZERO RIGHT to my land. You better damn well believe I can make you leave your gun in your car.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, they should not. It's their property, they need not demonstrate any damn thing at all except a desire to keep certain things off of their property. If you don't like their rules, don't go onto their property. Where is the issue here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You never loose your right to carry.

    You can only relinquish it by choice in order to gain access to their property.
    Since all evidence shows that guns lower crime, by barring firearms they are posing a public hazard no different in nature then a factory with exposed machinery. They need to file for a permit to justify/regulate that hazard and have their property zoned accordingly. Hospitals and government buildings are examples of locations which could justify the public hazard.

    IMO, posting a sign that no firearms are allowed in your home is exactly identical to posting a sign stating that you have Black Mold. you can't just just choose to keep the hazard on your property. You have to clean it up. So sure, maybe we should treat such anti-gun signs and behaviors as criminal activity and subject the home owner to civil and criminal penalties for refusing firearms in the home.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-17-10 at 04:39 PM.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Jerry, no matter how many ways you slice it, you can force someone to not carry a gun on your property, period. Gun laws, gun stats, safety stats, none of that matters. What matters is who's name is on the deed to the land. THATS who makes the rules.
    Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 05-17-10 at 04:43 PM.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Since all evidence shows that guns lower crime, by barring firearms they are posing a public hazard no different in nature then a factory with exposed machinery. They need to file for a permit to justify/regulate that hazard and have their property zoned accordingly. Hospitals and government buildings are examples of locations which could justify the public hazard.
    One might be able to argue that it is a hazard, but it is impossible to call it a public one.

    As such, the government has no authority to infringe upon property rights.
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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Jerry, no matter how many ways you slice it, you can force someone to not carry a gun on their property, period. Gun laws, gun stats, safety stats, none of that matters. What matters is who's name is on the deed to the land. THATS who makes the rules.
    It's wise to keep context when in discussion forums.

    You're talking about the current state of the law.

    That's not at all what I'm talking about.

    What I said was:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I can't agree with the notion that we should leave rights at the door if that's what a private business owner wishes.

    "All women who enter are subject to rape."

    "Children may be confiscated and sold at the building owner's discretion"

    No one should have the authority to keep you from your weapon while on their private property any more then they can keep you from drawing breath.
    Everyone already shakes hands and agrees to a mutual understanding of the current state of affairs, but if you would like to join us in discussing theory please jump right in.

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    Re: Donít shoot: NRA bans guns from its annual meeting

    I'm going based off of your OP, which is what you quoted. You said no one should have authority to keep you from your weapon while on private property. I said that's bull****, damn right I have the authority to and I SHOULD have the authority to.

    That being said I would NEVER do that, but.....I would ALWAYS fight for the right of the landowner to have that freedom.

    Your comment about discussing theory is moot.
    Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 05-17-10 at 04:46 PM.

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