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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFungus420 View Post
    Yeah, you could say the same about segregating schools.

    Was it poor judgment? Yes.
    Was it a big deal? Nah.

    After all, dem po' darkies would be uncuftable wit all dem white chil'en. It's fo' der ben'fit.
    Well, no, actually you couldn't. There is a difference between something systematic and a one time deal. It was a mistake, but not a long lasting one.
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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It sounds like discrimination to me. The principal of the school is Black, and of course defends this.

    How much longer do Blacks get to get special status to make up for past racism? I feel like things like this only fuel racial animosities and tensions. If people want to provide special experiences for certain segments of the population, it should be done through private organizations.

    Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school - AnnArbor.com
    Ahh so Blacks DO support segregation.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

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    Ahh so Blacks DO support segregation.
    Some Blacks...

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

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    The benefit of school systems is that they produce educated citizens, in spite of "the home" if they have to. If children aren't educated, then the school system didn't perform its function right.

    Racial backgrounds can cause educational problems, but these can't be addressed as problems of race.
    "in spite of the home" ?? A very pollyannish view....seemingly based on blind trust in a bureaucratic agencies competency to solve societal ills through its version of "education".... and far removed from reality, IMO.
    No..."in spite of "the home" if they have to".

    It is saying that the job of schools is to educate. It's not saying that the role of schools is to solve societal ills (although I would argue that providing a decent education to all children would tend to reduce societal ills).
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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, no, actually you couldn't. There is a difference between something systematic and a one time deal. It was a mistake, but not a long lasting one.
    Yes you can.

    Segregation was supposedly (at least in part) for the benefit of the black children.

    Just like this trip. Racism in the guise of helping those poor black children.
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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I agree. The whole thing should have been handled nonchalantly, without fanfare, with the whole class going to see this cool rocket scientist. I'm sure everyone would have noticed his race without them pointing it out to them. Instead they treated the kids like a bunch of disadvantaged cripples going to see another cripple who actually made something of himself

    Exactly. I mean, ALL these kids would probably have been pleased to meet a real rocket scientist, whatever their color or his color.

    I don't think this is how MLK meant things to be: by his speeches I took it that he desired a society that did not concern itself with race.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Some Blacks...
    I'm from the school of thought where people generally self-segregate along master-status lines. Race gravitates towards the same race, in many situations sex with sex, and similar. Birds of a feather fly together, as it were.

    I don't believe Blacks really wanted to get access into White schools for the sake of going to White schools and mixing everything up for Equality™ . I think Blacks just wanted better schools and going to White schools was the only way to make that happen. I think if Blacks actually had Black schools which truly were just as good as White schools, that everyone would generally proffer to be around similar races as their own.

    Please don't misunderstand, I'm all for desegregation, but I find it ironic that a race who struggled so hard for Equality™ so quickly abandons their principals when it benefits them.

    I'm comfortable with a good level of self-segregation. I just wish folks were free to be honest about it. If a Black family is more comfortable sending their children to an academically equal school which has a high Black population, I don't see a problem there. I don't think there should be laws preventing that.
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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm from the school of thought where people generally self-segregate along master-status lines. Race gravitates towards the same race, in many situations sex with sex, and similar. Birds of a feather fly together, as it were.

    I don't believe Blacks really wanted to get access into White schools for the sake of going to White schools and mixing everything up for Equality™ . I think Blacks just wanted better schools and going to White schools was the only way to make that happen. I think if Blacks actually had Black schools which truly were just as good as White schools, that everyone would generally proffer to be around similar races as their own.

    Please don't misunderstand, I'm all for desegregation, but I find it ironic that a race who struggled so hard for Equality™ so quickly abandons their principals when it benefits them.

    I'm comfortable with a good level of self-segregation. I just wish folks were free to be honest about it. If a Black family is more comfortable sending their children to an academically equal school which has a high Black population, I don't see a problem there. I don't think there should be laws preventing that.
    Thank God the days of forced busing are behind us.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I agree with you here. The Principle is a racist, whether he knows it or not but I believe it was stupidity not malicious or racist intent.
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    So wait, if its a white dood it would be malicious and of racist intent, as in your false claims about the tea party, but because the dood is black, it was not malicious and racist?


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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It sounds like discrimination to me. The principal of the school is Black, and of course defends this.

    How much longer do Blacks get to get special status to make up for past racism? I feel like things like this only fuel racial animosities and tensions. If people want to provide special experiences for certain segments of the population, it should be done through private organizations.

    Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school - AnnArbor.com
    I dont see the problem nor do I think this is outrageous. If I really think about it. If this was a thought out action it clearly teaches kids about race and what causes hatred between them. It is really an ingenious way of teaching. Even though I dont think it was thought out that way.

    Its very interesting how kids got mad because only one group gets an advantage because of situation or privelige. They couldnt enjoy the story the had to show hatred because they felt they deserved it too because they were in the same class (U.S) and how parents then got real emotional. All the while ruining the experience for black kids who did nothing wrong but accept the gift. Now they feel they did something wrong. Being born into money and being born into welfare are just examples of things that cause the divide but the two can never truly understand the other so the divide is created. Its very interesting. This is exactly factual life being explained to these children in terms they can understand without calling names or boring words they cant understand. They feel this to understand and can be taught afterwards from that feeling what is right.

    I think it is a smart idea if that was the lesson plan. Why is everyone so mad because black kids got to do something and vice versa? It was not wrong to take a portion of the class but the excuse probably would have been the black kids had very little chance of dreaming but grades should have determined who exactly should get benefit from the trip.
    Last edited by thoughtprocess; 05-17-10 at 11:20 AM.

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