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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Not a big deal?

    Way to go, Mr. Principal, for bringing back segregation, promoting racism and being an all-around moron.


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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    It is hard to close a group's achievement gap without treating that group as a group, but public schools can't treat groups as groups.
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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It is hard to close a group's achievement gap without treating that group as a group, but public schools can't treat groups as groups.
    Perhaps closing a "groups" achievment gap should begin at home, and not be "solved" by public coffers and government school systems.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It is hard to close a group's achievement gap without treating that group as a group, but public schools can't treat groups as groups.
    They can give special help to struggling kids, and have special programs for the brighter ones, but that should never be based on race or ethnicity.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think this thread tried to put a spin on what really happened. It seems that they had good intentions behind this trip. It was to inspire black children by having them meet a black rocket scientist. Honestly, I think this trip was a good thing. I don't believe the school was racially motivated in only having black kids attend the field trip. They had good intentions, but they acted stupidly by excluding everyone but black students. It was a racist action, but not necessarily motivated by racism. I do think that blacks are discouraged from joining careers in science. The media and stereotypes dictate that there are no black scientists and that blacks can't be smart. I'm all for this type of field trip, because I do believe blacks are discouraged from fields in science and that it's great to show them African Americans who are geniuses and have jobs in the scientific realm.
    This is how I felt, but instead of rewriting what Digsbe said I will just quote him. I completely agree with ya buddy.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think this thread tried to put a spin on what really happened. It seems that they had good intentions behind this trip. It was to inspire black children by having them meet a black rocket scientist. Honestly, I think this trip was a good thing. I don't believe the school was racially motivated in only having black kids attend the field trip. They had good intentions, but they acted stupidly by excluding everyone but black students. It was a racist action, but not necessarily motivated by racism. I do think that blacks are discouraged from joining careers in science. The media and stereotypes dictate that there are no black scientists and that blacks can't be smart. I'm all for this type of field trip, because I do believe blacks are discouraged from fields in science and that it's great to show them African Americans who are geniuses and have jobs in the scientific realm.
    I'm all for these kinds of field trips too. Just don't exclude people based on the color of their skin.


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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Perhaps closing a "groups" achievment gap should begin at home, and not be "solved" by public coffers and government school systems.
    The benefit of school systems is that they produce educated citizens, in spite of "the home" if they have to. If children aren't educated, then the school system didn't perform its function right.

    They can give special help to struggling kids, and have special programs for the brighter ones, but that should never be based on race or ethnicity.
    Racial backgrounds can cause educational problems, but these can't be addressed as problems of race.
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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The benefit of school systems is that they produce educated citizens, in spite of "the home" if they have to. If children aren't educated, then the school system didn't perform its function right.



    Racial backgrounds can cause educational problems, but these can't be addressed as problems of race.
    "in spite of the home" ?? A very pollyannish view....seemingly based on blind trust in a bureaucratic agencies competency to solve societal ills through its version of "education".... and far removed from reality, IMO.
    Last edited by webrockk; 05-16-10 at 08:37 PM.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    My initial take on the story was the same as yours. ("What could that principle have been THINKING???!!")

    But after reading the full article the story took a bit different flavor. Not saying that the field trip wasn't handled clumsily. It was. But the goal of the trip was apparently not to give the black students an academic bump to catch up with the white students. There is no indication that the participants were given a "science lecture" or any such presentation. Appears the trip was to take a bunch of black kids to meet a black rocket scientist to try and stress setting high limits for themselves (as black kids)

    Again. Poorly handled. But not quite as racist/diabolical as it seems to be getting conveyed.....
    I agree with you here. The Principle is a racist, whether he knows it or not but I believe it was stupidity not malicious or racist intent.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think this thread tried to put a spin on what really happened. It seems that they had good intentions behind this trip. It was to inspire black children by having them meet a black rocket scientist. Honestly, I think this trip was a good thing. I don't believe the school was racially motivated in only having black kids attend the field trip. They had good intentions, but they acted stupidly by excluding everyone but black students. It was a racist action, but not necessarily motivated by racism. I do think that blacks are discouraged from joining careers in science. The media and stereotypes dictate that there are no black scientists and that blacks can't be smart. I'm all for this type of field trip, because I do believe blacks are discouraged from fields in science and that it's great to show them African Americans who are geniuses and have jobs in the scientific realm.
    The correct way to handle it would be to take all the kids, because seeing a Black "rocket scientist" is good for kids of all races.

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Nah...it's never a big deal for lefties... unless white kids and white teachers were to exclude black kids or little girls from participating on a field trip.
    Generalize much? I won't bother asking for proof that all lefties...

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    "in spite of the home" ?? A very pollyannish view....seemingly based on blind trust in a bureaucratic agencies competency to solve societal ills through its version of "education".... and far removed from reality, IMO.
    Our education system seemed to be doing a fine job, pre-1980s.

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    Re: Field trip for black students sparks controversy at Ann Arbor elementary school

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    "in spite of the home" ?? A very pollyannish view....seemingly based on blind trust in a bureaucratic agencies competency to solve societal ills through its version of "education".... and far removed from reality, IMO.
    If domestic troubles are preventing students from learning effectively, the schools have to minimize that negative influence as they would any other; poor performance impacts school official salaries and funding decisions, so it is against their material interest not to do so.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 05-16-10 at 09:03 PM.
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