Poll: Nearly two-thirds back AZ law

bhkad · May 14, 2010

Poll: Nearly two-thirds back AZ law
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:00 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: States, Polls

From NBC's Mark Murray
Here's another set of numbers from the new NBC/WSJ poll we're teasing:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans back Arizona's new anti-illegal immigration law, which makes it a state crime for a person to be in the country illegally. The law also requires local and state law enforcement officials to question people about their immigration status if they suspect they’re in the country illegally.

Sixty-four percent favor this law, while 34 percent oppose it. But those numbers are essentially reversed among Latinos -- with 70 percent of them opposing the law, and only 27 percent supporting it.

Even though almost two-thirds of the public supports Arizona’s law, nearly an identical number (66 percent) believe it will lead to the discrimination of Latino immigrants who reside in the U.S. legally.

The full NBC/WSJ poll is released at 6:30 pm ET.

Poll: Nearly two-thirds back AZ law - First Read - msnbc.com

64% of all Americans polled favor this law.

Taylor · May 14, 2010

Seems especially high given how its been misrepresented.

disneydude · May 14, 2010

There was a time when most of the nation support slavery as well.

Just because people may "favor" something....doesn't mean that it is right.

Crunch · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
There was a time when most of the nation support slavery as well.

Just because people may "favor" something....doesn't mean that it is right.

We are not talking about slavery, we are talking about people breaking the law and a law passed to stop said people from breaking the law.

Please try to keep up...... thanx.

disneydude · May 14, 2010

Crunch said:
We are not talking about slavery, we are talking about people breaking the law and a law passed to stop said people from breaking the law.

Please try to keep up...... thanx.

You obviously have no reading comprehension ability then. The point of the OP is that a large percentage of people support the law and an implication that therefore it must be right.

The fact remains, people supported slavery for a long time by large percentages, but few would argue that those numbers of support now indicate that slavery was just.

This law is nothing more than a "feel-good" law to those who want to scapegoat latinos for economic problems they are facing. The truth is, we DO need immigration reform, but laws like this do nothing other than placate the people who are easily aroused.

Taylor · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
laws like this do nothing other than placate the people who are easily aroused.

Quite the opposite, laws like this arouse the people who are easily placated by the status quo. You can see evidence of them on internet forums, babbling about slavery and other irrelevancies.

Crunch · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
This law is nothing more than a "feel-good" law to those who want to scapegoat latinos for economic problems they are facing. The truth is, we DO need immigration reform, but laws like this do nothing other than placate the people who are easily aroused.

Wrong..... as usual.

The Arizona law is to enforce the Federal laws already on the books that the Feds are not enforcing.

As I said, try to keep up.

Crunch · May 14, 2010

taylor said:
quite the opposite, laws like this arouse the people who are easily placated by the status quo. You can see evidence of them on internet forums, babbling about slavery and other irrelevancies.

+1...........

disneydude · May 14, 2010

Crunch said:
Wrong..... as usual.

The Arizona law is to enforce the Federal laws already on the books that the Feds are not enforcing.

As I said, try to keep up.

There is a good reason why almost every law enforcement agency in the country has come out against this law. Hmmmm...maybe its because it isn't going to do what you claim...and perhaps you need to self-reflect and realize that it is you who is failing to keep up.

Crunch · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
There is a good reason why almost every law enforcement agency in the country has come out against this law. Hmmmm...maybe its because it isn't going to do what you claim...and perhaps you need to self-reflect and realize that it is you who is failing to keep up.

You really don't do any research at all, do you?

By AMANDA LEE MYERS (AP) – Apr 28, 2010

PHOENIX — Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.

Arizona's sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won't take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state's underground economy.

"Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.

Supporters of the law hope it creates jobs for thousands of Americans.

"We want to drive day labor away," says Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, one of the law's sponsors.

An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years as it cracked down on illegal immigration and its economy was especially hard hit by the Great Recession. A Department of Homeland Security report on illegal immigrants estimates Arizona's illegal immigrant population peaked in 2008 at 560,000, and a year later dipped to 460,000.

The Associated Press: Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

Seems to be working.

Crunch · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
There is a good reason why almost every law enforcement agency in the country has come out against this law.

Link....... or admit where you pulled that out of.

disneydude · May 14, 2010

Crunch said:
You really don't do any research at all, do you?

The Associated Press: Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

Seems to be working.

You might actually have something there now if the undocumented day laborers were being replaced by lazy Americans who want to sit on their asses and complain about Mexicans taking away American jobs.

Have you seen a large influx of able bodied "Americans" with papers standing outside Home Deport trying to get work? :doh
(I doubt it. So much for that Mexicans are taking our jobs BS)....

disneydude · May 14, 2010

Crunch said:
Link....... or admit where you pulled that out of.

Have you seriously not been following along? Numerous police agencies have come out saying they oppose the law.

Your lack of following the news story does not necessitate me doing your research for you. Do a little self education on the issue.

bhkad · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
Numerous police agencies have come out saying they oppose the law.

You said this:

There is a good reason why almost every law enforcement agency in the country has come out against this law.

Crunch asked you to produce a link.

You respond by saying the above.

Noted.

disneydude · May 14, 2010

bhkad said:
You said this:

Crunch asked you to produce a link.

You respond by saying the above.

Noted.

You guys are just like the lazy guys who sit on their couches complaining that latinos are the cause of all their economic problems. You are too lazy to educate yourself or keep up on the topic.

However....here...I'll "teach you to fish" so that you can "Eat for a lifetime"....its fairly simple: Just find a search engine such as google or yahoo and in the subject box type in "Police against Arizona law". This will bring up a number of links from the internet that you can then click on and read up on the subject.

If you don't know that law enforcement has come out overwhelmingly against this law, then you need to educate yourselves a little. You can't always expect others to do it for you.

Baralis · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
You might actually have something there now if the undocumented day laborers were being replaced by lazy Americans who want to sit on their asses and complain about Mexicans taking away American jobs.

Have you seen a large influx of able bodied "Americans" with papers standing outside Home Deport trying to get work? :doh
(I doubt it. So much for that Mexicans are taking our jobs BS)....

Illegal immigrants are partialy to blame but not all the blame rests on them. Businesses that exploit cheap labor are just as responsible.

And Americans are not willing to work for poverty level wages. They will work those jobs that have been vacated by immigrants but not at the same wages.

disneydude · May 14, 2010

Baralis said:
Illegal immigrants are partialy to blame but not all the blame rests on them. Businesses that exploit cheap labor are just as responsible.

And Americans are not willing to work for poverty level wages. They will work those jobs that have been vacated by immigrants but not at the same wages.

I've been saying that all along.

The fact that you don't see an influx of unemployed "Americans" running down to Home Depot to fill the void shows how disengenuous that talking point truly is.

bhkad · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
You guys are just like the lazy guys who sit on their couches complaining that latinos are the cause of all their economic problems. You are too lazy to educate yourself or keep up on the topic.

However....here...I'll "teach you to fish" so that you can "Eat for a lifetime"....its fairly simple: Just find a search engine such as google or yahoo and in the subject box type in "Police against Arizona law". This will bring up a number of links from the internet that you can then click on and read up on the subject.

If you don't know that law enforcement has come out overwhelmingly against this law, then you need to educate yourselves a little. You can't always expect others to do it for you.

You've been here long enough to know how it works. You state something as fact you should be prepared to back up your statement.

Put up or shut up.

disneydude · May 14, 2010

bhkad said:
You've been here long enough to know how it works. You state something as fact you should be prepared to back up your statement.

Put up or shut up.

Maybe you should rush down to Home Depot yourself......

Crunch · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
Have you seriously not been following along? Numerous police agencies have come out saying they oppose the law.

Your lack of following the news story does not necessitate me doing your research for you. Do a little self education on the issue.

LINK, or admit where you pulled that out of.

disneydude · May 14, 2010

Crunch said:
LINK, or admit where you pulled that out of.

Look Crunch...if I GIVE you the fish, you eat for the day.
If I TEACH you to fish, you eat for a lifetime.

If you haven't been following along, just google what I told you to Google. You will have all the links you want right there detailing the police agencies that have come forward against the AZ law.

Crunch · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
Maybe you should rush down to Home Depot yourself......

So you are just as full of it as always.

Thanx for playing.

BTW.... I looked, couldn't find anything about most law enforcement being against the Arizona law.

bhkad · May 14, 2010

Crunch said:
So you are just as full of it as always.

Thanx for playing.

BTW.... I looked, couldn't find anything about most law enforcement being against the Arizona law.

I, too, thought he was full of it. Thanks for calling him on it. :mrgreen:

Crunch · May 14, 2010

disneydude said:
Look Crunch...if I GIVE you the fish, you eat for the day.
If I TEACH you to fish, you eat for a lifetime.

If you haven't been following along, just google what I told you to Google. You will have all the links you want right there detailing the police agencies that have come forward against the AZ law.

Crunch · May 14, 2010

bhkad said:
I, too, thought he was full of it. Thanks for calling him on it. :mrgreen:

My pleasure..... No, really. :mrgreen: