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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Concerning Yemen, the Yemeni government does not have control over all of the provinces. Tribes control some provinces, and they are historically not very cordial to any central government authority. Elements of al-Queda control the Saudi border region, and skirmishes have been going on there for well over a year.

    I don't believe the Yemeni government can capture this individual, nor do I believe a law enforcement agency such as the FBI could do so either. As far as Special Ops forces it could possibly be done (if intelligence was airtight with feeds in real-time), but quite iffy. Such a Yemeni operation would be equivalent to doing likewise in the lawless Afghanistan/Pakistan border region.

    Under Bush and now Obama, the US has opted for deadly Predator strikes against terrorists. It negates combat deaths and injuries, and also the possible capture of US military personal which would be a political hot potato/nightmare.

    Concerning treason, IIRC the US State Department has the legal power to determine that certain odious activities of US citizens abroad are treasonous and strip such an individual of US citizenship. The individual would have to return to the US to dispute such a finding, which in this case is extremely unlikely to occur.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    We are at war, if you wage war against the US, you revoke your citizenship.
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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    He probably did. ...
    Actually, I recall an executive order by one president (not sure who) declaring this as illegal. And if Bush had done it, with his non-adoring press we would have surely found out about it.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This idea that people have that it is 'unconstitutional' for the U.S. government to green light assassinations on declared and proven enemies of the state is based on a fictitious sense of just what the constitution does. The U.S. government has been doing this sort of thing since the creation of the constitution.
    Is anything beyond the legitimate powers of the government? If a citizen can be marked for execution without any publicly presented evidence, I see no limit what so ever.

    And no, I don't believe Bush would have done anything different. I assume he did the exact same thing, probably many times. It was murder then, and it's murder now. The only difference to me is that I know about this one. I'm all in favor of the death penalty, and I'd probably be rooting for this guy to fry. But the authority to take a life in secret, is an authority that can't be allowed to exist.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This idea that people have that it is 'unconstitutional' for the U.S. government to green light assassinations on declared and proven enemies of the state is based on a fictitious sense of just what the constitution does. The U.S. government has been doing this sort of thing since the creation of the constitution.
    Bull****, the Constitution guarantees that no U.S. citizen will be denied their right to life without due process. Was this man convicted in absentia? Was he the unfortunate victim of collateral damage in an attack on a terrorist base overseas? No he was neither. The U.S. government instead decided to go out and target a specific U.S. citizen for execution without any due process whatsoever, the government is not above the law and whoever green lighted this operation is guilty of conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder of a U.S. citizen!
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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Prosecuting somebody in absentia is not illegal.
    He was not tried in Absentia.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't know and couldn't say. The article only says the CIA was authorized to kill a U.S. citizen and has people complaining about how 'illegal' that is. My thoughts are this:

    The constitution states that a person can't be convicted of treason without the testimony of two people.

    Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    My thoughts is that a lot of these guys have been convicted in absentia by the previous administration but due to people who perceive such practices to be 'illegal' - that hasn't been made 'public' yet.
    A) It specifically says in an open court.

    B) He was never convicted of anything, a U.S. citizen can not be denied his right to life, liberty, or property without DUE PROCESS, read the ****ing 5th amendment!

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenglischatiest View Post
    Is anything beyond the legitimate powers of the government? If a citizen can be marked for execution without any publicly presented evidence, I see no limit what so ever.

    And no, I don't believe Bush would have done anything different. I assume he did the exact same thing, probably many times. It was murder then, and it's murder now. The only difference to me is that I know about this one. I'm all in favor of the death penalty, and I'd probably be rooting for this guy to fry. But the authority to take a life in secret, is an authority that can't be allowed to exist.
    Atleast FDR held secret military tribunals before he had the German saboteurs executed from the ex parte quirin case and they weren't even American citizens, but this guy was given no due process whatsoever.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    makes some legal authorities deeply uneasy.
    But not me. I'm okay with it.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    But not me. I'm okay with it.
    So you're okay with ANY U.S. citizen who is only suspected of wrong-doing to be killed by the CIA without getting a trial?


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