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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    To eavesdrop on the terrorism suspect who was added to the target list, the American-born radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is hiding in Yemen, intelligence agencies would have to get a court warrant. But designating him for death, as C.I.A. officials did early this year with the National Security Council’s approval, required no judicial review.

    “Congress has protected Awlaki’s cellphone calls,” said Vicki Divoll, a former C.I.A. lawyer who now teaches at the United States Naval Academy. “But it has not provided any protections for his life. That makes no sense.”

    Administration officials take the view that no legal or constitutional rights can protect Mr. Awlaki, a charismatic preacher who has said it is a religious duty to attack the United States and who the C.I.A. believes is actively plotting violence. The attempted bombing of Times Square on May 1 is the latest of more than a dozen terrorist plots in the West that investigators believe were inspired in part by Mr. Awlaki’s rhetoric.

    “American citizenship doesn’t give you carte blanche to wage war against your own country,” said a counterterrorism official who discussed the classified program on condition of anonymity. “If you cast your lot with its enemies, you may well share their fate.”
    Charge him with treason and prosecute him. But, in my opinion, this should be an illegal act.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Charge him with treason and prosecute him. But, in my opinion, this should be an illegal act.
    Prosecuting somebody in absentia is not illegal.
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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Prosecuting somebody in absentia is not illegal.
    Oh, so he was prosecuted?

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh, so he was prosecuted?
    I don't know and couldn't say. The article only says the CIA was authorized to kill a U.S. citizen and has people complaining about how 'illegal' that is. My thoughts are this:

    The constitution states that a person can't be convicted of treason without the testimony of two people.

    Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    My thoughts is that a lot of these guys have been convicted in absentia by the previous administration but due to people who perceive such practices to be 'illegal' - that hasn't been made 'public' yet.
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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Our (USA's) Messiah can do ANYTHING he so desires.
    As an Ex Lawyer he knows the Law. He thinks.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This idea that people have that it is 'unconstitutional' for the U.S. government to green light assassinations on declared and proven enemies of the state is based on a fictitious sense of just what the constitution does. The U.S. government has been doing this sort of thing since the creation of the constitution.
    Yeah but this isn't just some random guy waging war on the US. This is an American citizen, residing in an allied country, in which we are not at war. Let's ignore for a second his religion and the nation in which he lived. This is legally the equivalent of the US government assassinating an American citizen as they vacation in Canada.
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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't know and couldn't say. The article only says the CIA was authorized to kill a U.S. citizen and has people complaining about how 'illegal' that is. My thoughts are this:

    The constitution states that a person can't be convicted of treason without the testimony of two people.

    Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    My thoughts is that a lot of these guys have been convicted in absentia by the previous administration but due to people who perceive such practices to be 'illegal' - that hasn't been made 'public' yet.
    The article said that the CIA couldn't get a warrant to wiretap his phones, which makes me think he has not been convicted of any crime.
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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Imagine if Bush had done this.

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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Imagine if Bush had done this.
    He probably did. My guess is that, sadly, this is a lot more common than it appears. Every time the New York Times finds out about something like this, there are probably ten other times when it goes unreported.

    With that said, the government shouldn't be doing it REGARDLESS of who is president. Extrajudicial killings of one's own citizens should not be something that the United States of America does. It sounds more like something Iran or North Korea does.
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    Re: CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    He probably did. My guess is that, sadly, this is a lot more common than it appears. Every time the New York Times finds out about something like this, there are probably ten other times when it goes unreported.

    With that said, the government shouldn't be doing it REGARDLESS of who is president. Extrajudicial killings of one's own citizens should not be something that the United States of America does. It sounds more like something Iran or North Korea does.
    Or Israel.......

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