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Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

VanceMack said:
And yet...your boys STILL instead of trashing the white trash boys or spitting on their pickup knocked the American flag out of his hand and proclaimed his pride in being FROM mezco...si? And yes...it takes MUCHO machismo to be a badass when surrounded by a few hundred of your closest friends...That is...until they parked the truck and got out...

And you are right of course...we read EVERY DAY about white people raping underage mexican girls. Holy ****...your comments just said more about you than anything I could ever say...but seriously...want to compare rape and sexual assault statistics by race and voting bloc?
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we must have seen different videos
in the one i saw those in the street were proclaiming that they were mecican-Americans, while the white trash insisted they 'go home'
and the mexican-American who walked up to the truck full of white trash and knocked the flag out of the punk's weak assed hand followed the truck of white cowards who proceeded to drive away, abandoning their flag
the mexican-American - the one witha balls - followed the truck, even after it stopped and the doors opened ... he only retreated when the policeman showed up on the scene
i'm am betting that cop kept those white boys from getting a severe ass beating
 
justabubba said:
we must have seen different videos
in the one i saw those in the street were proclaiming that they were mecican-Americans, while the white trash insisted they 'go home'
and the mexican-American who walked up to the truck full of white trash and knocked the flag out of the punk's weak assed hand followed the truck of white cowards who proceeded to drive away, abandoning their flag
the mexican-American - the one witha balls - followed the truck, even after it stopped and the doors opened ... he only retreated when the policeman showed up on the scene
i'm am betting that cop kept those white boys from getting a severe ass beating
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Guess we will never know. Im CERTAIN those brave young men werent buoyed up by the presence of the rest of their buddies. One to one...well...we WILL never know...will we. But what we DO have is the video.

It wasnt a 25 second video clip of the conflict between the two...it was several minutes full of 'proud' people demanding their right to celebrate their 'national holiday' and to be treated equal. Still waiting to see where celebration of a US made beer holiday is mexicos national holiday and still waiting to see how those students rights are being violated or why they are so proud to be FROM mexico...
 
If you use the US flag to promote a racist point of view then you do much more disservice to the flag than the student who knocks it to the ground.

Clearly, these little wife-beater clad white boys had one intention - to use the US flag and shout "Go Home" to (as far as they knew) legal Hispanics. There's not one instance of the video that proves that the kids being angered are not American citizens.

The little punks in the truck assuming that someone with brown skin isn't American because they're proud of their heritage are provoking anger. That's using the flag for all the wrong reasons.

If it's going to be misused, then its symbolism no longer matters.

To defend the nobility of the nations symbol when it's clearly being misused by punks is to completely misunderstand the symbolism in the first place.

Do you defend the Klan using the flag? Do you defend neo-Nazis using the flag as their symbol? While there may be people who use the Confederate flag for non-racist purposes, one must admit that many people have used it for racist purposes. Does it mean that those being angered by a particular symbol when it's being used for clearly provocative purposes are hating the symbol? Or are they hating the people using the symbol for wrong reasons?

Seriously people. Can't we possibly put ourselves in the others' shoes? Or do we have to support those who are clearly trying to pick a fight just because they invoke the flag?

Isn't is possible that the flag can be misused? I believe in this case, it was clearly being misused.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
If you use the US flag to promote a racist point of view then you do much more disservice to the flag than the student who knocks it to the ground.

Clearly, these little wife-beater clad white boys had one intention - to use the US flag and shout "Go Home" to (as far as they knew) legal Hispanics. There's not one instance of the video that proves that the kids being angered are not American citizens.

The little punks in the truck assuming that someone with brown skin isn't American because they're proud of their heritage are provoking anger. That's using the flag for all the wrong reasons.

If it's going to be misused, then its symbolism no longer matters.

To defend the nobility of the nations symbol when it's clearly being misused by punks is to completely misunderstand the symbolism in the first place.

Do you defend the Klan using the flag? Do you defend neo-Nazis using the flag as their symbol? While there may be people who use the Confederate flag for non-racist purposes, one must admit that many people have used it for racist purposes. Does it mean that those being angered by a particular symbol when it's being used for clearly provocative purposes are hating the symbol? Or are they hating the people using the symbol for wrong reasons?

Seriously people. Can't we possibly put ourselves in the others' shoes? Or do we have to support those who are clearly trying to pick a fight just because they invoke the flag?

Isn't is possible that the flag can be misused? I believe in this case, it was clearly being misused.
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Sure, it can be misused. I think that's what's happening in this video. Regardless, I still believe in their right to use the American flag however they want.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
If you use the US flag to promote a racist point of view then you do much more disservice to the flag than the student who knocks it to the ground.

Clearly, these little wife-beater clad white boys had one intention - to use the US flag and shout "Go Home" to (as far as they knew) legal Hispanics. There's not one instance of the video that proves that the kids being angered are not American citizens.

The little punks in the truck assuming that someone with brown skin isn't American because they're proud of their heritage are provoking anger. That's using the flag for all the wrong reasons.

If it's going to be misused, then its symbolism no longer matters.

To defend the nobility of the nations symbol when it's clearly being misused by punks is to completely misunderstand the symbolism in the first place.

Do you defend the Klan using the flag? Do you defend neo-Nazis using the flag as their symbol? While there may be people who use the Confederate flag for non-racist purposes, one must admit that many people have used it for racist purposes. Does it mean that those being angered by a particular symbol when it's being used for clearly provocative purposes are hating the symbol? Or are they hating the people using the symbol for wrong reasons?

Seriously people. Can't we possibly put ourselves in the others' shoes? Or do we have to support those who are clearly trying to pick a fight just because they invoke the flag?

Isn't is possible that the flag can be misused? I believe in this case, it was clearly being misused.
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Sure...it happens all the time. Why...I'll bet even the mexican flag can be misused...especially on the event of a made up holiday where a bunch of misguided protestors march about their 'rights' on a national get drunk day, celebrating an event they obviously know nothing about and a heritage they know nothing about in a country which is diametrically opposed to the toilet they claim to be proud of and from and want to turn tis country into...especially when those kids are being used by some enormously fat assed woman in green spandex to inspire and inflame their 'rage' and national patriotism...
 
bicycleman said:
Notice how whenever the Democrats get in power, racial tensions begin to flare.
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Don't go there...

There was alot of racial tension under Reagon, not so much under either Bushes. But this isn't about the political aspects of racism. This is about a disrespectful act committed by one of Mexican decent. Try to stay on point and not to infuse politics into the debate where they don't belong.
 
Jerry said:
Cinco DE Mayo has nothing to do with the Alomo.

One wonders why this holiday, a holiday no one ever heard of until commercialized by an American beer company, is not universally celebrated by all anti-French red-blooded Americans.
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Cinco de mayo has little to do with Mexico....



eff that chicano, had he done that to me well, seeing the cop, probably the same as the other dood. :lol:
 
FilmFestGuy said:
If you use the US flag to promote a racist point of view then you do much more disservice to the flag than the student who knocks it to the ground.
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there is nothing racist about promoting the Idea that this is America and illegals should be deported.



Clearly, these little wife-beater clad white boys had one intention - to use the US flag and shout "Go Home" to (as far as they knew) legal Hispanics. There's not one instance of the video that proves that the kids being angered are not American citizens.
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And you complain about racism and bigotry, yet you use bigoted terms?



The little punks in the truck assuming that someone with brown skin isn't American because they're proud of their heritage are provoking anger. That's using the flag for all the wrong reasons.
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wrong, he's assuming that these imigrants legal or not, prefer thier home country of mexico and being upset that AZ will enforce laws that will prevent thier former countrymen from having an easy time living illegally in the US.


If it's going to be misused, then its symbolism no longer matters.

To defend the nobility of the nations symbol when it's clearly being misused by punks is to completely misunderstand the symbolism in the first place.
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Yes, proud Americans who are against illegal immigration are punks to you. Got it.



Do you defend the Klan using the flag? Do you defend neo-Nazis using the flag as their symbol? While there may be people who use the Confederate flag for non-racist purposes, one must admit that many people have used it for racist purposes. Does it mean that those being angered by a particular symbol when it's being used for clearly provocative purposes are hating the symbol? Or are they hating the people using the symbol for wrong reasons?
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Knocking down the American flag clearly sends a message, try to attach as much racism to Americans as you want, it doesn't change the fact that this particular chicano did not respect this country or our flag.


Seriously people. Can't we possibly put ourselves in the others' shoes? Or do we have to support those who are clearly trying to pick a fight just because they invoke the flag?
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I think the mexicans are picking the fights, protesting enforcement of federal law.



Isn't is possible that the flag can be misused? I believe in this case, it was clearly being misused.
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Sure it can, not in this case, and in no case is knocking it to the ground acceptable response.
 
VanceMack said:
Why do you think we have the tensions that we have today?

Seriously genius...what exactly about the Arizona law has inspired these ****ing morons to take to the streets proclaiming their "I'm no longer from that ****ing toilet of a country" pride? The fact that a state responded to a situation where the fed has completely abandoned responsibility? The fact that there are 1000 estimated illegals streaming across the border daily? The fact that Arizona has passed a law alowing its police to ask for citizenship identity when someone has been apprehended committting illegal acts? (You know...those 'papers'...like...the same 'papers' you have to show any time you cash a check, board a plane, use a credit card, get pulled over, apply for a job...)
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But that's not necessarily a Democrat or Republican thing, but the irresponsibility of Congress - regardless of which political party is in power - not enforcing current immigration laws. Both sides have ignored the problem for so long that it has gotten to a point where "wrongful" immigration actions were necessary (i.e., AZ's immigration law*) when the real problem has gone untouched (i.e., focusing on pursuing illegal Mexicans exclusively and not going after Middle-Easterners who are here masked as "legal" students, tourist, workers or even nationalized U.S. citizens).

I'm not saying not to go after Mexicans who are here illegally, but I am saying that in a post-9/11 world the focus is in the wrong place. No Mexican has ever tried to blow up a vegetable garden or place a bomb on a rooftop during a construction project. Point here is it's easier to go after the soft target - those who may be contributing to econimic hard - than to get serious about deporting those who are here to do this country real collateral damage. I'm willing to bet there are members of sleeper terrorist cells in this country who are watching this immigration issue and laughing their asses off because we've foolishly placed our focus in the wrong place on this issue.

*In this case, I refer to AZ's immigration law as "wrongful" due to it's potential to insight racial profiling, nothing more. Overall, I think AZ did what they had to do to deal with the illegal immigration problem by Mexicans in their state. I still think it's a shame they felt they had to go it alone, but had Congress and the INS done their jobs better AZ wouldn't have had to take such drastic measures.
 
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hazlnut said:
blame-shmame... don't try to change the subject and derail the thread.

I'm just pointing out what's really going on in the video. The flag was knocked to the ground when it was waved by a group looking for trouble...trying to get a reacting by baiting people...

On the internet, we call them trolls.
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At least you know what you are.
 
Objective Voice said:
Don't go there...

There was alot of racial tension under Reagon, not so much under either Bushes. But this isn't about the political aspects of racism. This is about a disrespectful act committed by one of Mexican decent. Try to stay on point and not to infuse politics into the debate where they don't belong.
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Man, you are living in never never land. This is all about politics and the Democrats attempt to put a wedge between white/blackAmericans and illegal/legal Mexicans. You need to get off the train of denial.
 
Jerry said:
I'm not trying to hit anyone, I'm just going to start swinging my arms, so if you're on my team you'd better get out of the way :mrgreen:
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I thought we were on the same side of this discussion. You mean we're not?:shock:
 
Objective Voice said:
But that's not necessarily a Democrat or Republican thing, but the irresponsibility of Congress - regardless of which political party is in power - not enforcing current immigration laws. Both sides have ignored the problem for so long that it has gotten to a point where "wrongful" immigration actions were necessary (i.e., AZ's immigration law*) when the real problem has gone untouched (i.e., focusing on pursuing illegal Mexicans exclusively and not going after Middle-Easterners who are here masked as "legal" students, tourist, workers or even nationalized U.S. citizens).

I'm not saying not to go after Mexicans who are here illegally, but I am saying that in a post-9/11 world the focus is in the wrong place. No Mexican has ever tried to blow up a vegetable garden or place a bomb on a rooftop during a construction project. Point here is it's easier to go after the soft target - those who may be contributing to econimic hard - than to get serious about deporting those who are here to do this country real collateral damage. I'm willing to bet there are members of sleeper terrorist cells in this country who are watching this immigration issue and laughing their asses off because we've foolishly placed our focus in the wrong place on this issue.

*In this case, I refer to AZ's immigration law as "wrongful" due to it's potential to insight racial profiling, nothing more. Overall, I think AZ did what they had to do to deal with the illegal immigration problem by Mexicans in their state. I still think it's a shame they felt they had to go it alone, but had Congress and the INS done their jobs better AZ wouldn't have had to take such drastic measures.
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Thats the part that blows my mind...everyone says this. Arizona may conduct racial profiling. And just who do they think INS is investigating...88 year old white grannies? Do they drive around performing random ID checks on all people? No...of course not. They TARGET people that are SUSPECTED of being here illegaly. And thats different...how exactly???
 
justabubba said:
we must have seen different videos
in the one i saw those in the street were proclaiming that they were mecican-Americans, while the white trash insisted they 'go home'
and the mexican-American who walked up to the truck full of white trash and knocked the flag out of the punk's weak assed hand followed the truck of white cowards who proceeded to drive away, abandoning their flag
the mexican-American - the one witha balls - followed the truck, even after it stopped and the doors opened ... he only retreated when the policeman showed up on the scene
i'm am betting that cop kept those white boys from getting a severe ass beating
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What is a Mecican?
 
I'm betting that the police stepped in just in time to prevent a race riot. Those mexicans were out of line and the one knocked the flag out of the hand of the man in the truck needs to serve a year in jail.

What we have here is a group of people who have forgotten they are in America. That being the case ... I would say its time for them to go back to Mexico.
 
Vader said:
I'm betting that the police stepped in just in time to prevent a race riot. Those mexicans were out of line and the one knocked the flag out of the hand of the man in the truck needs to serve a year in jail.

What we have here is a group of people who have forgotten they are in America. That being the case ... I would say its time for them to go back to Mexico.
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Many of them could make the point they are already in mexico and that guy in the truck was carrying the wrong flag.......;)
 
Dutch said:
Many of them could make the point they are already in mexico and that guy in the truck was carrying the wrong flag.......;)
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Who could make that point...the savages who had their land conquered by the Spaniards? The Incans? The Mayans?


Oh...and just a question you might consider asking 'them'...whats their grand plan...to turn California into the same ****hole toilet they or their ancestors are so proud to be 'from'?
 
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VanceMack said:
Who could make that point...the savages who had their land conquered by the Spaniards? The Incans? The Mayans?


Oh...and just a question you might consider asking 'them'...whats their grand plan...to turn California into the same ****hole toilet they or their ancestors are so proud to be 'from'?
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Everybody has to have a home, man.

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VanceMack said:
Who could make that point...the savages who had their land conquered by the Spaniards? The Incans? The Mayans?


Oh...and just a question you might consider asking 'them'...whats their grand plan...to turn California into the same ****hole toilet they or their ancestors are so proud to be 'from'?
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Savages? You mean native peoples who lived in harmony with nature instead of destroying it for material gains and power?
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Savages? You mean native peoples who lived in harmony with nature instead of destroying it for material gains and power?
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And lived to the ripe old age of 36? :roll:
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Savages? You mean native peoples who lived in harmony with nature instead of destroying it for material gains and power?
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Thats funny that you believe that!!! :rofl
 
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