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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    It appears it's not a state matter. At least according to the lawyers. We'll see!
    How could it be a Federal matter?

    (Do not say immigration)
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Racial tension seems to be rising in this country. When we highlight the differences with concepts like "black identity" or groups like "MEChA," we're only going to make these problems more likely.
    With the democratic party basically living on identity politics and multi-culturalism you cannot avoid these problems. In the case of non-assimilated mexican nationals, what would you expect them to do with an american flag. I fear they only see the worst of us.
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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    How could it be a Federal matter?

    (Do not say immigration)
    You'll have to ask the Feds that. I don't pass the laws, my friend. I merely cut and paste them on political discussion boards. And the overwhelming consensus among lawyers (and I'm a corporate banker, not a lawyer, so I have no personal opinion) is that the law is unconstitutional because states have no say in how aliens, legal or illegal, are handled. It's strictly a federal issue. Now, not having proper state ID can be a state issue. But it doesn't solve the problem because Arizona can neither lock them all up ($$$$$), nor can Arizona deport them (illegal). So the law is essentially toothless (or so I hear).
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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    You'll have to ask the Feds that. I don't pass the laws, my friend. I merely cut and paste them on political discussion boards. And the overwhelming consensus among lawyers (and I'm a corporate banker, not a lawyer, so I have no personal opinion) is that the law is unconstitutional because states have no say in how aliens, legal or illegal, are handled. It's strictly a federal issue. Now, not having proper state ID can be a state issue. But it doesn't solve the problem because Arizona can neither lock them all up ($$$$$), nor can Arizona deport them (illegal). So the law is essentially toothless (or so I hear).
    I'm not sure why people always think illegals will need to be rounded up and deported. That doesn't follow.

    Every time a law is passed or enforced which is against illegal immigration, the illegals leave all on their own.

    If I were an illegal I sure as hell wouldn't hang around either. I would take off to a place more accommodating because my goal is to make money, not make a political stand.

    Like electricity, illegals take the path of least resistance.

    There will never be any need to bus up millions of illegal even if the FED came down hard with devastating punishments for businesses and illegals alike.

    So, no, we don't have the money to jail them, but neither do we need the money to jail them. Simply enforce the laws on the books, streamline the legal immigration process, and build the damn fence.

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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    You'll have to ask the Feds that. I don't pass the laws, my friend. I merely cut and paste them on political discussion boards. And the overwhelming consensus among lawyers (and I'm a corporate banker, not a lawyer, so I have no personal opinion) is that the law is unconstitutional because states have no say in how aliens, legal or illegal, are handled. It's strictly a federal issue. Now, not having proper state ID can be a state issue. But it doesn't solve the problem because Arizona can neither lock them all up ($$$$$), nor can Arizona deport them (illegal). So the law is essentially toothless (or so I hear).
    You don't have to ask the Feds.... all you have to do is read the Constitution.

    Section 8 - Powers of Congress

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

    Section 9 - Limits on Congress

    The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

    The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

    No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

    (No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.)

    No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

    No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

    No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

    Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

    No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

    No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
    The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    After understanding the above, this is the key....

    Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    Simple enough that anyone without an agenda can understand it.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not sure why people always think illegals will need to be rounded up and deported. That doesn't follow.

    Every time a law is passed or enforced which is against illegal immigration, the illegals leave all on their own.

    If I were an illegal I sure as hell wouldn't hang around either. I would take off to a place more accommodating because my goal is to make money, not make a political stand.

    Like electricity, illegals take the path of least resistance.

    There will never be any need to bus up millions of illegal even if the FED came down hard with devastating punishments for businesses and illegals alike.

    So, no, we don't have the money to jail them, but neither do we need the money to jail them. Simply enforce the laws on the books, streamline the legal immigration process, and build the damn fence.
    Jerry, you don't understand. This isn't about solving the problem, it's about a voter block....... **** US citizens.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not sure why people always think illegals will need to be rounded up and deported. That doesn't follow.

    Every time a law is passed or enforced which is against illegal immigration, the illegals leave all on their own.

    If I were an illegal I sure as hell wouldn't hang around either. I would take off to a place more accommodating because my goal is to make money, not make a political stand.

    Like electricity, illegals take the path of least resistance.

    There will never be any need to bus up millions of illegal even if the FED came down hard with devastating punishments for businesses and illegals alike.

    So, no, we don't have the money to jail them, but neither do we need the money to jail them. Simply enforce the laws on the books, streamline the legal immigration process, and build the damn fence.
    I can't argue with any of that. Unless, of course, the law is struck down. Then they are not going anywhere. But if it's not you are right.
    Last edited by stekim; 05-11-10 at 05:35 PM.
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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    i like LEGAL mexicans here. not ILLEGAL.
    Now seriously. Do you think those white boys (and I think we could guess at their race and gender before even looking eh?), were using the american flag as a symbol of their national pride, or to antagonize mexicans on a racially inspired holiday?

    You know they were being asses. So the kid was an ass in return. Not surprisingly, this sort of thing happens all the time.

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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    My money is on Mexican kids that were born here.
    Meaning that your money is on a contradiction, since people that are not from Mexico are not Mexicans. They're a multi-racial national group, like Canadians.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    La Raza is a terrorist, racist group that is literally telling mexicans to invade and infiltrate the US.
    How is that possible when they're a Hispanic advocacy group, and Hispanics can be of any race? texmaster wasn't very adept at explaining this one to me; maybe you'll do better.

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    Re: Mexican Students Knock U.S. Flag to the Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I can't argue with any of that. Unless, of course, the law is struck down. Then they are not going anywhere. But if it's not you are right.
    Let the law be struck down, it's a duplicate of existing AZ laws anyway. Just enforce the laws already on the books and SHIZZAMM illegals deport themse3lves.

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