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Local School Suspends Student for Removing MEXICAN Flag

justabubba said:
can we understand that the OP and others who are indignant about the student being punished for taking the nonrepresentative flag down would be similarly upset at a student being subject to punishment for removing a confederate flag
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What business does the confederate flag have in a school? No more than the Mexican flag. Is this just an attempt to label those against the student being punished as racist?
 
Ikari said:
What business does the confederate flag have in a school? No more than the Mexican flag. Is this just an attempt to label those against the student being punished as racist?
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nope
it is an attempt to expose the hypocrisy of those who would agree that it was OK to remove one nonrepresentative (mexican) flag but to remove the other nonrepresentative (confederate) flag was to be found wrong
it was to illustrate -starkly - that those positions were staked out because of racism and not principle
 
The Giant Noodle said:
The school should be sensitive to displaying the mexican flag. They should have know its not a smart thing to do. They should have avoided this type of thing by simply NOT observing a "holiday" reserved for drinking and eating mexican-type foods. But that kid should never have taken that flag.

At the SAME time Im proud that he did take the flag and toss it in the garbage. Mexico needs to stay in mexico.
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You realize the flag was put up by the Spanish LANGUAGE club, which is made up of students who are studying SPANISH in school. :roll:
 
justabubba said:
nope
it is an attempt to expose the hypocrisy of those who would agree that it was OK to remove one nonrepresentative (mexican) flag but to remove the other nonrepresentative (confederate) flag was to be found wrong
it was to illustrate -starkly - that those positions were staked out because of racism and not principle
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Considering schools don't typically display confederate flags your point is irrelevant. There is nothing to defend about the confederate flag being removed against school policy because it hasn't happened. So you are baiting and calling people racist, you have used the term itself and slandered people who display the confederate flag as racists, even though you don't concede that some people fly it for historical or traditional reasons.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Considering schools don't typically display confederate flags your point is irrelevant. There is nothing to defend about the confederate flag being removed against school policy because it hasn't happened. So you are baiting and calling people racist, you have used the term itself and slandered people who display the confederate flag as racists, even though you don't concede that some people fly it for historical or traditional reasons.
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you have every right to be aggravated. i used your own words to expose you. you will see them again, below
you then defended the right of a confederate flag to to be present while simultaneously objecting to the presence of a mexican one
your stand was without principle
let's take another peek at it, shall we:
LaMidRighter said:
Only if you can understand that the confederate flag was flown by Americans fed up with federal encroachment on state's rights, which is much more valid than another country's flag on any given day of the week. Considering a ****ing Mexican flag is given more respect than a confederate flag is very telling of the man-child mentality of those on the PC side. The Mexican flag means exactly nothing to US political history when compared to the Cofederate battle flag. Don't bother responding to this because I don't care about your opinion in light of your off topic rant.
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justabubba said:
can we understand that the OP and others who are indignant about the student being punished for taking the nonrepresentative flag down would be similarly upset at a student being subject to punishment for removing a confederate flag
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Hmm, well mexico is kinda invading us, so I see your point.... :roll:
 
justabubba said:
you have every right to be aggravated. i used your own words to expose you. you will see them again, below
you then defended the right of a confederate flag to to be present while simultaneously objecting to the presence of a mexican one
your stand was without principle
let's take another peek at it, shall we:
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You really don't understand the argument do you. I will give you a personal warning right here and right now. You brought up the confederate flag in a condescending tone and put people who represent it in a false negative light, if you insinuate one more time that I'm a hypocrite or racist for answering you honestly about a piece of American history versus another country's flag and slander me I will report you for such. Either debate honestly or be silent, but I will not have my character attacked by someone who has nothing to add to this argument, this is your only warning.
 
A three day suspension was excessive. Whoever made that decision is not competant to hold their current office.

A single day suspension is even a little much; I think what we have here is a case of a racist school administrator. Had it been the other way around I doubt there would have been such consequences.

Honestly, I think when a school administrator behaves in such a fashion it's time for that administrator to be terminated.
 
Vader said:
A three day suspension was excessive. Whoever made that decision is not competant to hold their current office.

A single day suspension is even a little much; I think what we have here is a case of a racist school administrator. Had it been the other way around I doubt there would have been such consequences.

Honestly, I think when a school administrator behaves in such a fashion it's time for that administrator to be terminated.
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My son got a 3-day ISS for throwing paper airplanes in class. In comparison, theft and destruction of school property is slightly more serious.
 
LaMidRighter said:
You really don't understand the argument do you. I will give you a personal warning right here and right now. You brought up the confederate flag in a condescending tone and put people who represent it in a false negative light, if you insinuate one more time that I'm a hypocrite or racist for answering you honestly about a piece of American history versus another country's flag and slander me I will report you for such. Either debate honestly or be silent, but I will not have my character attacked by someone who has nothing to add to this argument, this is your only warning.
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how could i resist that bait
another opportunity to point out to all of the forumites that your stance was very hypocritical. an unprincipled stand on your part because neither flag was representative of the USA. had you agreed that both should be allowed or both should be disallowed, then there would be no unprincipled hypocrisy present. instead, you approved of one flag and not the other. but explain for us how your position was based on something other than racism
while you supported those who would remove the mexican flag you simultaneously approved the presence of the flag of the confederate states which abandoned and fired on the union in its advocacy for continued slavery
so, i have stated that your post was hypocritical
i have stated that the confederate flag you support was one which was flown in the defense of slavery - a severe form of racism
and you have shown that you have no understanding of the TOS or the definition of slander
but thanks for the laugh ... and i'm not laughing with you
 
justabubba said:
how could i resist that bait
another opportunity to point out to all of the forumites that your stance was very hypocritical. an unprincipled stand on your part because neither flag was representative of the USA. had you agreed that both should be allowed or both should be disallowed, then there would be no unprincipled hypocrisy present. instead, you approved of one flag and not the other. but explain for us how your position was based on something other than racism
while you supported those who would remove the mexican flag you simultaneously approved the presence of the flag of the confederate states which abandoned and fired on the union in its advocacy for continued slavery
so, i have stated that your post was hypocritical
i have stated that the confederate flag you support was one which was flown in the defense of slavery - a severe form of racism
and you have shown that you have no understanding of the TOS or the definition of slander
but thanks for the laugh ... and i'm not laughing with you
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Reported, keep it up.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
My son got a 3-day ISS for throwing paper airplanes in class. In comparison, theft and destruction of school property is slightly more serious.
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That's a whole 'nuther subject matter. I think in an effort to seem "zero tolerance" alot of these schools are taking childhood out of the equation and punishing too hard for minor things that kids do. I think a week ISS is pretty much accurate for something like this story covers though.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Considering schools don't typically display confederate flags your point is irrelevant. There is nothing to defend about the confederate flag being removed against school policy because it hasn't happened. So you are baiting and calling people racist, you have used the term itself and slandered people who display the confederate flag as racists, even though you don't concede that some people fly it for historical or traditional reasons.
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The confederate flag can be a symbol of racism and dark chapter in our history. In a civil war museum, no. But on the back of a pickup truck or a klan rally...

The Mexican flag has no such connotation. Therefore, your comparison is a false analogy.

When I see the confederate flag, it's sometimes followed by a nazi flag. You can't deny that is a legitimate connotation/association of the confederate flag.

We have to live the history, but slavery and segregation are traditions we can do without.

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Yee-haw!!
 
So wait...if I have a gang picture of a group of MS-13's holding a Mexican Flag it must obviously mean the Mexican Flag means Gang Violence and People Trafficing because I mean, some KKK guys hold up a confederate flag and it automatically means the flag means white power.

:roll:
 
hazlnut said:
The confederate flag can be a symbol of racism and dark chapter in our history. In a civil war museum, no. But on the back of a pickup truck or a klan rally...

The Mexican flag has no such connotation. Therefore, your comparison is a false analogy.

When I see the confederate flag, it's sometimes followed by a nazi flag. You can't deny that is a legitimate connotation/association of the confederate flag.

We have to live the history, but slavery and segregation are traditions we can do without.

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Yee-haw!!
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Ah, so someone in California is going to tell me what my heritage means.:roll: Listen dude, you don't know what you are talking about, BTW, those same KKK dudes also fly Old Glory, guess that would make the United States flag a symbol of racism as well by your standards huh?:roll: One more thing, the KKK was formed as an anti-catholic organization prior to adopting their hatred of all non-baptists and non-whites so maybe you'd like to learn a little more about the subject before telling me about my area of the country. What's next, you gonna tell me about the swamps 25 miles from my city? You wanna tell me about the best way to cook cajun food? Yeah, thought so.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
My son got a 3-day ISS for throwing paper airplanes in class. In comparison, theft and destruction of school property is slightly more serious.
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I would have gone to the school board to protest that. 3 days for thowing paper airplanes is excessive. The official responsible needs to be suspended for three days and then be told to dial it down or get canned.
 
Vader said:
I would have gone to the school board to protest that. 3 days for thowing paper airplanes is excessive. The official responsible needs to be suspended for three days and then be told to dial it down or get canned.
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why should the teacher have to tolerate the throwing of paper airplanes in their class?
what was excessively dialed up which needed to be dialed down, in your opinion?
 
justabubba said:
why should the teacher have to tolerate the throwing of paper airplanes in their class?
what was excessively dialed up which needed to be dialed down, in your opinion?
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I didn't say a teacher should; however, 3 days ISS is too much punishment for throwing a paper airplane. It looks like an overreaction on the part of the school officials.

The correct punishment should have been three days of detention.
 
Vader said:
I didn't say a teacher should; however, 3 days ISS is too much punishment for throwing a paper airplane. It looks like an overreaction on the part of the school officials.

The correct punishment should have been three days of detention.
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what causes you to conclude that the punishment given was excessive?
 
justabubba said:
what causes you to conclude that the punishment given was excessive?
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Suspension for 3 DAYS for THROWING A [singular] paper airplane sounds excessive - especially if no prior warnings or verbal reprimands were given before.
 
Travelsonic said:
Suspension for 3 DAYS for THROWING A [singular] paper airplane sounds excessive - especially if no prior warnings or verbal reprimands were given before.
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and you have made your conclusion with the assumption that there was nothing previous to the event which could have contributed to the resulting punishment

maybe that was a one time incident and the teacher came down hard

maybe the punishment was the result of the teacher trying to get the student's attention

does anyone here have sufficient information to know the reasonableness of the punishment
 
hazlnut said:
But on the back of a pickup truck or a klan rally...
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LaMidRighter said:
Listen dude, you don't know what you are talking about, BTW, those same KKK dudes also fly Old Glory, guess that would make the United States flag a symbol of racism as well by your standards huh?:roll:
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Holy ****! Apparently according to Hazl's exquisite logic Old Glory stands for the lynching blacks and gassing jews...I mean, they're holding the flag so it MUST mean the flag endorses their actions! In Hazl's words

hazlnut said:
Yee-haw!!
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