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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

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    YouTube- Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton!

    Obama's spokesman and conceirge to The Kummunidy.
    The fool(s).

    With Obama, don't we have nothing more than Sharpton with a "cleaner" delivery?

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    I couldn't get more than 45 seconds into it. It was like watching a douche and a turd sandwich argue.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Not having proper identification, for one. Being unable to explain where you reside, specifically, might be another.
    how would they suspect those things visually, to commence their inquiry?

    what proper identification must a citizen carry on their person at all times?

    what law requires anyone to have an established residence?
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how would they suspect those things visually, to commence their inquiry?
    You're getting things backwards. These inquiries can ONLY commence AFTER "lawful contact" has been initiated. They cannot be used as a pretense to initiate contact, like you are implying.

    what proper identification must a citizen carry on their person at all times?

    what law requires anyone to have an established residence?
    I never said that. I merely gave you an example of how an LEO could have a "reasonable suspicion" that someone was an illegal alien AFTER initiating "lawful contact" with them.

    If a police officer pulls someone over for speeding (lawful contact) who (1) doesn't have proper identification and (2) doesn't know their address, they could very well be an illegal alien, and it would be totally "reasonable" to suspect as much.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    You're getting things backwards. These inquiries can ONLY commence AFTER "lawful contact" has been initiated. They cannot be used as a pretense to initiate contact, like you are implying.
    chicken and egg argument
    i'll take mine scrambled ... as if i had a choice



    I never said that. I merely gave you an example of how an LEO could have a "reasonable suspicion" that someone was an illegal alien AFTER initiating "lawful contact" with them.
    so, you then recognize that a citizen does NOT have to carry any form of documentation showing themself to be an American citizen
    and an illegal alien does not have a form of identification on their person identifying them as an American citizen
    explain again how we distinguish between the two

    If a police officer pulls someone over for speeding (lawful contact) who (1) doesn't have proper identification and (2) doesn't know their address, they could very well be an illegal alien, and it would be totally "reasonable" to suspect as much.
    why must the passenger of that pulled over car possess a form of identification if they are an American citizen
    and if they are not a citizen, please refer to my question immediately above

    i look forward to your providing me with the federal statute which proscribes that all citizens and noncitizens of the USA MUST have an identifiable place of residence at all times
    if there is no law requiring that, then how can not having a residential address then be an illegal act
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    chicken and egg argument
    i'll take mine scrambled ... as if i had a choice
    No, it's not a "chicken or egg" argument at all. The law clearly states that "lawful contact" is the only justifiable pretense under which an LEO can attempt to determine a person's immigration status.

    You just took a provision of the law out of context and made it seem like that was the pretense, when it clearly isn't.

    so, you then recognize that a citizen does NOT have to carry any form of documentation showing themself to be an American citizen
    and an illegal alien does not have a form of identification on their person identifying them as an American citizen
    explain again how we distinguish between the two
    Again, whether or not a person is required to have documentation of sorts is not at issue. You asked how an LEO could have a "reasonable suspicion" (incident to "lawful contact") that someone was an illegal immigrant. If an LEO pulled someone over for speeding and that person didn't have a driver's licence or any other kind of government ID, and couldn't tell the officer their address, the LEO could have a "reasonable suspicion" that the person was an illegal alien. That's what you asked me, and I gave you a perfectly legitimate answer.

    why must the passenger of that pulled over car possess a form of identification if they are an American citizen
    and if they are not a citizen, please refer to my question immediately above

    i look forward to your providing me with the federal statute which proscribes that all citizens and noncitizens of the USA MUST have an identifiable place of residence at all times
    if there is no law requiring that, then how can not having a residential address then be an illegal act
    You're obviously having some difficulty in understanding the language of this provision. An LEO can only attempt to determine someone's immigration status incident to "lawful contact"; all the potentialities that you are describing are not "lawful contact", which means they are just strawmen arguments.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Bubba,

    It's actually relatively easy to determine that the person isn't in the U.S. legally when the police have already had contact with him/her for criminal reasons.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    No, it's not a "chicken or egg" argument at all. The law clearly states that "lawful contact" is the only justifiable pretense under which an LEO can attempt to determine a person's immigration status.

    You just took a provision of the law out of context and made it seem like that was the pretense, when it clearly isn't.



    Again, whether or not a person is required to have documentation of sorts is not at issue. You asked how an LEO could have a "reasonable suspicion" (incident to "lawful contact") that someone was an illegal immigrant. If an LEO pulled someone over for speeding and that person didn't have a driver's licence or any other kind of government ID, and couldn't tell the officer their address, the LEO could have a "reasonable suspicion" that the person was an illegal alien. That's what you asked me, and I gave you a perfectly legitimate answer.



    You're obviously having some difficulty in understanding the language of this provision. An LEO can only attempt to determine someone's immigration status incident to "lawful contact"; all the potentialities that you are describing are not "lawful contact", which means they are just strawmen arguments.
    a weak dodge
    to suspect illegal behavior the potential for illegal behavior must exist
    if not having a residential address is not illegal, then the failure to have one cannot be the suspicion that is use to allege possible illegal behavior
    if not having a personal identity on one's person is not illegal, then the failure to have such identity cannot then be found suspicious of illegal behavior
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a weak dodge
    to suspect illegal behavior the potential for illegal behavior must exist
    if not having a residential address is not illegal, then the failure to have one cannot be the suspicion that is use to allege possible illegal behavior
    if not having a personal identity on one's person is not illegal, then the failure to have such identity cannot then be found suspicious of illegal behavior
    1. Your premise is logically flawed. For instance, having bloodshot eyes and poor coordination is not illegal, but it is certainly an indication that someone has been driving drunk.

    2. I DID give an example of something illegal, i.e., driving without a driver's licence.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Oh wow on the posts on the page to the video link for this thread someone left this on it...........WeAreGeo So Al thinks he's going to protect the Constitution by advocating socialism. What a moron.
    Frederick Douglass would whip his ass. 1 hour ago

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Pimp Slaps Infamous Douche Bag Al Sharpton

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    1. Your premise is logically flawed. For instance, having bloodshot eyes and poor coordination is not illegal, but it is certainly an indication that someone has been driving drunk.
    but it is not necessarily so
    using your "logic" it would be reasonable to then incarcerate someone who had not slept recently and was entering a diabetic coma

    2. I DID give an example of something illegal, i.e., driving without a driver's licence.
    license? but what of the passengers who would then be subject to the LEO scrutiny. must they provide personal identity to show they are American citizens and what form of identity would be required under the law for that

    keep trying
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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