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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Personally, I think it is best that the pols just stay out of the way and let the Coast Guard do its job. If they need help they'll ask. Until then the political appointees just get in the way including and especially the President, although I understand that it does state support for the people if he shows up.

    I have to say this one more time...did anyone notice what a professional briefing the CG Admiral's give and how unprofessional and uninformed the administration appointees look in comparison.
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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    My 2-cents worth...

    Yeah, it was stupid for Tom Strickland to still go to the Grand Canyon even if this was a planned visit while the BP Gulf Coast Oil Spill was in it's early stages and not much was really known about it, i.e., how bad bad could/would get and what was really taking place deep below the surface, but ultimatel despite how this trip comes off as slightly embarrasing for the Obama Administration, I'd say that initial reports were all guesses and both BP and the fed were doing all they could do based on the information they had at the time.

    Those who are upset about the expedience of getting "the proper" resource on-scene are basically being partician...looking for any and every excuse to make the President look bad. Yet, in the very next breath they talk about corporate responsibility and completely ignore who ultimate is responsible for this disaster in the first place. The way I see it, if the law says that an oil drilling company is responsible for cleaning up the oil spill they cause then I place 100% of the blame on that oil company, not the fed! The gov't has a responsibility to render assistance, when asked, in the cleanup effort. To that, based on all the reports I've read, the fed has done their part and have even gone above the call. Unfortunately, no matter what the President does -whether Democrac or a Republican because both sides do it - the reaction to the crisis will never be quick enough nor will there ever be enough resources thrown at the situation by the fed - this dispite their best estimates or best efforts.

    Sidenote: Everything disaster whether natural or man-made is compared to Katrina now and that's unfortunate. The oil spill isn't on the same scale as Katrina. I'd say a closer comparison would be the Nashville flood, but even it had fewer similarities other than both floods occured in major cities and will cost billions to clean up.

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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post

    Those who are upset about the expedience of getting "the proper" resource on-scene are basically being partician...
    Hardly. When the propoganda from the White House comes out saying the Government was there from day one, at least twelve times in one day... it's not partisan calling a bald faced lie what it is - a bald faced lie.

    Perhaps you're not upset because of you and middleground and those who share your opinion on this issue, are to partisan FOR the White House and this President and would, if this were reversed and Bush were in the White House, would be all over this but since it's Obama, free passes abound.

    See an unpartisan view would see Katrina as a consummate failure AND they would see this oil spill disaster and the Dept. of Interiors exemption of safety protocols as well as this badly scheduled trip for what it is... a consummate failure...

    You're weak claim and middlegrounds weak claim of partisanship is simple in it's purpose... denial, deferral and misdirection. Simple political hack measures to put those critics on the defensive my levying unfounded claims and BS to muddy the water. I call BS... call it what it is. If you were a critic of the government handling of Katrina you should be a critic of the handling of the Gulf oil spill AND the Tennesee flooding.

    When folks aren't being honest with themselves or others --- it's so obvious.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Hardly. When the propoganda from the White House comes out saying the Government was there from day one, at least twelve times in one day... it's not partisan calling a bald faced lie what it is - a bald faced lie.

    Perhaps you're not upset because of you and middleground and those who share your opinion on this issue, are to partisan FOR the White House and this President and would, if this were reversed and Bush were in the White House, would be all over this but since it's Obama, free passes abound.

    See an unpartisan view would see Katrina as a consummate failure AND they would see this oil spill disaster and the Dept. of Interiors exemption of safety protocols as well as this badly scheduled trip for what it is... a consummate failure...

    You're weak claim and middlegrounds weak claim of partisanship is simple in it's purpose... denial, deferral and misdirection. Simple political hack measures to put those critics on the defensive my levying unfounded claims and BS to muddy the water. I call BS... call it what it is. If you were a critic of the government handling of Katrina you should be a critic of the handling of the Gulf oil spill AND the Tennesee flooding.

    When folks aren't being honest with themselves or others --- it's so obvious.
    You've exposed a couple of prime examples of hypocrisy.

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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think we found Obama's Michael “Heckuva job, Brownie” Brown..
    ah...but was he worried about what he was wearing?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Do we actually think that this really had any impact of the government's response to the incident? I would wager that it did not.
    Um ya he was head of the organization responsible for dealing with major oil spills. At least as head of FEMA Brownie didn't skip off on a vacation.

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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris
    Um ya he was head of the organization responsible for dealing with major oil spills.
    Actually, as I already mentioned, he was the head HR guy for that organization. As such, he has no operational authority or responsibility, at least not where this sort of thing is concerned.

    The head of the Department of the Interior is Ken Salazaar, who did not (AFAIK) go on vacation.

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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Actually, as I already mentioned, he was the head HR guy for that organization. As such, he has no operational authority or responsibility, at least not where this sort of thing is concerned.

    The head of the Department of the Interior is Ken Salazaar, who did not (AFAIK) go on vacation.
    HR guys don't go on trips to discuss policy with the Director of another federal agency. If he has no authority, why was he airlifted out by helicopter?

    Two other things:

    1. He is also assistant secretary at U.S. Fish and Wildlife.

    2. His fellow employees at Interior said he shouldn't have gone.

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    Re: While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on "W

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Actually, as I already mentioned, he was the head HR guy for that organization. As such, he has no operational authority or responsibility, at least not where this sort of thing is concerned.

    The head of the Department of the Interior is Ken Salazaar, who did not (AFAIK) go on vacation.
    Politics can't solve real problems, only play word games. If they really want to solve the oil problem, bring in competent Petro engineers, and then make provisions for realistic rapid response when the next leak happens.

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