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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The big gripe with comparing different country's medical care systems and health outcomes, is that all these countries are different.
    Different in demographics, culture/lifestyle, environment and population size.

    Could we really compare the U.K. to Japan evenly?
    No because they have entirely different cultures/lifestyles and different demographics (not sure about population size.)

    To make it easier to understand, we know that Australia has a larger amount of people that develop skin cancer, compared to the U.S. or Europe.
    Australia also has universal health care.
    Would it be fair to say that the increase in people with skin cancer is because of universal health care?

    Of course not, it's because of geographical location.

    Most supporters UHC are saying that people in countries with it are healthier because of it.
    They use unadjusted statistics as "proof."

    Does that make sense?
    that does make sense, and i agree with it totally, but rivrrats argument that its different simply because of the way births are recorded is what i have a problem with, as Australia and America both use the WHO definition of a live birth.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    that does make sense, and i agree with it totally, but rivrrats argument that its different simply because of the way births are recorded is what i have a problem with, as Australia and America both use the WHO definition of a live birth.
    I only know some countries have different definitions.
    The U.S. has several depending on who you ask.

    Check these links out.

    The title is loaded with this one but he does cite empirical studies.
    Don't Fall Prey to Propaganda: Life Expectancy and Infant Mortality are Unreliable Measures for Comparing the U.S. Health Care System to Others

    The reality of infant mortality rates - OmniNerd

    Pretty crazy how different things are calculated and what information is left in, out and just all around screwy.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I only know some countries have different definitions.
    The U.S. has several depending on who you ask.

    Check these links out.

    The title is loaded with this one but he does cite empirical studies.
    Don't Fall Prey to Propaganda: Life Expectancy and Infant Mortality are Unreliable Measures for Comparing the U.S. Health Care System to Others

    The reality of infant mortality rates - OmniNerd

    Pretty crazy how different things are calculated and what information is left in, out and just all around screwy.
    it is rather incomparable when taking into account all the different systems, but i notice the first link excludes rather important information too

    it says
    The United Nations Statistics Division explains another factor hampering consistent measurement across nations:

    ...some infant deaths are tabulated by date of registration and not by date of occurrence... Whenever the lag between the date of occurrence and date of registration is prolonged and therefore, a large proportion of the infant-death registrations are delayed, infant-death statistics for any given year may be seriously affected.20

    The nations of Australia, Ireland and New Zealand fall into this category.
    as i'm comparing Aus. and the US for this, what it leaves out there is that all infants in Australia are recorded within 9 days, so the window for skewed stats is pretty small.

    but until someone takes the time to fix the stats so that they reflect the true state of things, it's rather difficult to compare countries.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you can prove this of course right? A non biased source with actual facts that is .....


    In 2005, the latest year that the international ranking is available for, the United States ranked 30th in the world in infant mortality, behind most European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, and Israel.
    The report, produced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, compares infant mortality rates between the United States and Europe, with special attention to two factors that determine the infant mortality rate: gestational age-specific infant mortality rates and the rate of preterm births. It argues that the high infant mortality rate in the United States is due to the high percentage of preterm births, which has risen 36 percent since 1984.
    ?Behind International Rankings of Infant Mortality: How the United States Compares with Europe? | Journalism Center on Children & Families

    And from CDC:

    Differences in the reporting of live births between countries can have an impact on international comparisons of infant mortality.

    In the United States and in 14 of 19 European countries, all live births at any birthweight or gestational age are required to be reported. Also, since no live births occur before 12 weeks of gestation, the requirement for Norway that all live births at 12 weeks of gestation or more be reported is substantially the same as for countries where all live births are required to be reported.
    Table 1. Requirements for reporting a live birth, United States and selected European countries, 2004
    The table is at the link.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databri...tm#differences
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some of those things are stupid, like enrolled in preschool.
    Why would that make any difference?
    Kids have done fine without structured preschool for most of human history.

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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Kids have done fine without structured preschool for most of human history.
    Not only that, government statistics have shown, programs like head start do nothing to add to the overall educational quality of a child's total education.

    All the benefits of the benefits of preschool are erased by grade 3 and kids who went to preschool can't be differentiated from kids who didn't.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not only that, government statistics have shown, programs like head start do nothing to add to the overall educational quality of a child's total education.

    All the benefits of the benefits of preschool are erased by grade 3 and kids who went to preschool can't be differentiated from kids who didn't.
    Pushing early academics is a huge mistake. If kids go to preschool it should be to learn to play, cooperate, and fingerpaint. It should be a loving, social time, with lots of fresh air and healthy snacks.

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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    agreed.....about the academics. but head start is a way to prepare kids to learn, and i think is a great program. sometimes just having some structure is good for kids.

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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Pushing early academics is a huge mistake. If kids go to preschool it should be to learn to play, cooperate, and fingerpaint. It should be a loving, social time, with lots of fresh air and healthy snacks.
    I actually disagree with that greatly(agree with the not pushing academics part), I've seen some other studies that say a child should not enter formal schooling until the age 9-11 to better develop the parent/child bond and to allow the child's brain to stabilize, so that it can accept the schooling environment/structure more readily.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    agreed.....about the academics. but head start is a way to prepare kids to learn, and i think is a great program. sometimes just having some structure is good for kids.
    It's good for children from underprivileged homes, who otherwise would be plopped in front of cartoons all day.

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